- #36
Evo
Staff Emeritus
Science Advisor
- 24,017
- 3,337
I'm referring to all of your posts in this thread.nitsuj said:Evo, I didn't even remotely tell anyone how to feel or act. Don't put your made up interpretation on me.
I'm referring to all of your posts in this thread.nitsuj said:Evo, I didn't even remotely tell anyone how to feel or act. Don't put your made up interpretation on me.
Evo said:I'm referring to all of your posts in this thread.
Evo said:Very sad that they can't help themselves and many do not want help. They prefer being stoned. Of all of the heroine addicts I've known only one kicked it and stayed clean, the others od'd or wound up in prison.
You just do not have any idea what you are talking about, you appear to just be throwing out whatever pops into your head, you do this often.nitsuj said:you've heard of methadone being used to kick a heroin addiction right? Perhaps you believe they are addicted to being stoned...lol qualified.
It is relatively common for MMT patients to continue using heroin, other drugs such as cocaine or marijuana, and alcohol after admission to treatment. This reflects the long history of use, the complexity of patients’ situations and reasons for using drugs, and the biological basis of addiction. Many patients in treatment do not have complete control over their addictions at all times.
Evo said:You just do not have any idea what you are talking about, you appear to just be throwing out whatever pops into your head, you do this often.
Evo said:Very sad that they can't help themselves and many do not want help. They prefer being stoned.
nitsuj said:Just as I wouldn't place holistic blame on a mentally ill person who is rude in public, I wouldn't attribute all actions of an addict as being made clearly & thoughtfully, they're "ill".
Yes, many prefer being stoned as they will get help, get better, then go right back because they "prefer being stoned", which you don't understand because you haven't lived around these people. They know what it is doing to them and those around them, but it was actually an ex boyfriend that told me the reason he couldn't stay clean was because he "preferred being stoned".nitsuj said:"biological basis of addiction"[/I] An addiction which of course you "wrote off" as "Prefer being stoned". Sure Evo, heroin addiction is a preference.
I said no such thing and don't even know what you mean, but you have been putting words into the mouths of a number of members, you need to stop.nitsuj said:You however are saying they are the addiction.
nsaspook said:I did see it as an illness but even the mental illness of a person is not an excuse to let them ruin the innocent lives of family. If you love someone you come to realization that love won't save them after several calls from an ER room or the police if they don't love themselves or life more than the drug. Heroin addiction is a surrender to death long before your time and I saw little that was clear or thoughtful other than the desire for a high.
Evo said:Yes, many prefer being stoned as they will get help, get better, then go right back because they "prefer being stoned", which you don't understand because you haven't lived around these people. They know what it is doing to them and those around them, but it was actually an ex boyfriend that told me the reason he couldn't stay clean was because he "preferred being stoned".
Evo said:I said no such thing and don't even know what you mean, but you have been putting words into the mouths of a number of members, you need to stop.
Thank you. You should try to be more considerate of those that have experienced dealing with an addict first hand, you are entitled to your opinion, but listen to what people that have dealt with it are saying, ok? Your flippant attitude isn't helping your case. Some of the people that have posted have suffered a lot.nitsuj said:Didn't say you said it Evo, said "you are saying." If you want I can go on to explain the grammatical difference between the two.
Anyways Evo I see I'm upsetting you posting in your "sandbox". I'll leave it be.
JonDE said:Is paying for them to be in jail cheaper then paying for them to be in rehab?
No, it's the callous and depraved indifference of those who would harm (pimp) their spouses or children for drugs or money to buy drugs. Those spouses and children are not only raped, but they are exposed to a variety of diseases, including AIDS and hepatitis, and in some cases, they may be drugged.nitsuj said:Surely it's not specifically that the money is spent on drugs that upsets you, unless you're suggesting it's okay to do that if the money is spent on a telescope or new car.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/us/heroins-small-town-toll-and-a-mothers-pain.htmlPhil Drewiske, 23, who embraced recovery in prison after five overdoses and a dozen failed treatment programs, said he bore some responsibility for introducing heroin to the town. The son of local insurance agents, he started abusing painkillers stolen from his friend’s grandfather’s medicine cabinet at 13 and discovered heroin at 16, he said, “at a time when people portrayed it as a dirty drug for homeless people.”
He would buy heroin from Mexican dealers in Minneapolis, who gave him a prepaid cellphone and “chirped” him when his order was ready, he said. He then sold it in Hudson to, among others, Ms. Ivy’s boyfriend, “knowing it was going to Alysa” and to “another guy who died here.”
“I was getting heroin for these people, and even if it wasn’t their first time, it was close,” he said. “Being the one who enabled that is pretty humbling. You get a guilty conscience. Even though they made a decision.”
The likelihood that many prescription-drug abusers will switch to heroin because it is much cheaper is widely accepted among addiction treatment professionals and law enforcement officials.
Justice Department officials reject any direct linkage between the crackdown on prescription drugs and rising heroin use, although it was a Justice Department unit — the National Drug Intelligence Center — that warned that the campaign against illegal use of prescription drugs was fueling heroin use. The center, which closed in 2012, was separate from the unit employing prosecutors and agents who fight drug use.
A lot of people would classify it this way.nitsuj said:Didn't know coke was a recreational drug lol
I've never read anything about Freud using heroin, but I seem to remember him using cocaine.nitsuj said:And I'm pretty suspicious of Freud maybe having tried heroin in some form or another.
IMHO that's a lame copout, an attempt to establish a moral equivalence between someone with a genuine organic illness, and someone else who consciously made the decision at one time to stick a hypodermic filled with heroin in their arm. No one chooses to become bipolar or to have cystic fibrosis or the like, but they do make the choice to get high. I'm afraid I don't have any sympathy for them.nitsuj said:Just as I wouldn't place holistic blame on a mentally ill person who is rude in public, I wouldn't attribute all actions of an addict as being made clearly & thoughtfully, they're "ill".
New Jersey has been plagued in recent years by deaths caused by heroin and prescription drugs, and last year Ocean County became ground zero in the Jersey Shore region. Drug overdoses, many of them directly linked to heroin or prescription opiates, killed 112 people, more than double the year before, according to the Ocean County Prosecutor's Office.
So far this year 24 people have died, and 19 of them have been directly linked to heroin, according to the office.