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Are there any theories or laws which prove that teleportation is impossible without the presence of wormhole?
Scanning an object 40,000 kilometers away with atomicscale resolution. I find that in order to do this, the ship would need a telescope with a lens greater than approximately 50,000 kilometers in diameter! Were it any smaller, there would be no possible way even in principle to resolve single atoms.
If each disk is about 10 cm thick, then if we stacked all the disks currently needed to store a human pattern on top of one another, they would reach a third of the way to the center of the galaxy-about 10,000 light-years…
That's only if you want to teleport someone standing at some random position on a distant planet though--it's simpler if you just imagine scanning someone up close and personal in a teleportation chamber, then reconstructing them in another. Not that I think this will be feasible either anytime soon!Vast said:Lawrence Krauss illustrated what would be needed to teleport someone onboard the Starship Enterprise, in his book https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060977108/?tag=pfamazon01-20as in ‘beam me up Scottie’.
First you’d need to scan someone:Maybe they need a bigger ship for this task?Scanning an object 40,000 kilometers away with atomicscale resolution. I find that in order to do this, the ship would need a telescope with a lens greater than approximately 50,000 kilometers in diameter! Were it any smaller, there would be no possible way even in principle to resolve single atoms.
Well, it's not really necessary to convert the person to energy, is it? You just need to have some way of scanning all the information about the position and momentum of all the different particles in their body (within the limits allowed by the uncertainty principle), it doesn't even matter if you leave the "original" around or not after being scanned, although if you do, you'll have a duplication device rather than a teleportation device. But if you do decide you want the original destroyed, there's not much difference between converting them to energy or just instantly vaporizing their head with a laser or something, all that really matters is that it's fast enough so the person doesn't experience remaining the original after being scanned.Vast said:And there’s still the problem of how much energy is required to dematerialize a person using Einstein energy to mass relation. Millions of times the temperature at the center of the sun.
Not looking good for this particular technology.
JesseM said:That's only if you want to teleport someone standing at some random position on a distant planet though--it's simpler if you just imagine scanning someone up close and personal in a teleportation chamber, then reconstructing them in another. Not that I think this will be feasible either anytime soon!
JesseM said:Well, it's not really necessary to convert the person to energy, is it? You just need to have some way of scanning all the information about the position and momentum of all the different particles in their body (within the limits allowed by the uncertainty principle), it doesn't even matter if you leave the "original" around or not after being scanned, although if you do, you'll have a duplication device rather than a teleportation device. But if you do decide you want the original destroyed, there's not much difference between converting them to energy or just instantly vaporizing their head with a laser or something, all that really matters is that it's fast enough so the person doesn't experience remaining the original after being scanned.
Of course, if you want to do quantum teleportation, where the person's exact quantum state is transferred from one location to another, the demands are a little more stringent, but I still don't think the original system is converted to energy, I think the state of the original system just gets randomized somehow (maybe the original person would be transformed into a uniform gas made out of the same particles?)
EnumaElish said:How does this all mesh with the uncertainty principle? Is it theoretically possible to extract all the necessary information to replicate all particles in their original locations and speeds?
See the link on "quantum teleportation" in my last post, or this wikipedia entry on it--although you can't find each particle's exact position and speed (it's not even clear if particles have a definite position and speed at a given moment, most interpretations of quantum mechanics would say they don't), you can transfer the exact "quantum state" of a system from one location to another, destroying the state in one location and recreating it exactly in another. You can't copy the quantum state, though, recreating it at a distant location while preserving the original--something called the no-cloning theorem proves that the laws of QM don't allow this.EnumaElish said:How does this all mesh with the uncertainty principle? Is it theoretically possible to extract all the necessary information to replicate all particles in their original locations and speeds?
I am imagining Capt. Kirk being beamed up by Scottie. As his particles are copied, trasported and reconstructed in the ship's teleport, they are being gradually destroyed at their original location. Do you think his sense of being (consciousness, identity, conscious and unconscious personal history) would be continuous at the point in time at which teleportation occurs? Will he really say "thanks Scottie, I was this close to turned into breakfast on that horrible planet; get us out of here as fast as you can"? Or will he say "now I can start my life over as a postmodern painter"?JesseM said:... you can transfer the exact "quantum state" of a system from one location to another, destroying the state in one location and recreating it exactly in another. You can't copy the quantum state, though, recreating it at a distant location while preserving the original--something called the no-cloning theorem proves that the laws of QM don't allow this.
EnumaElish said:Do you think his sense of being (consciousness, identity, conscious and unconscious personal history) would be continuous at the point in time at which teleportation occurs? Will he really say "thanks Scottie, I was this close to turned into breakfast on that horrible planet; get us out of here as fast as you can"? Or will he say "now I can start my life over as a postmodern painter"?
Currently, scientists have not found a way to teleport objects or living beings. However, there have been successful demonstrations of teleporting individual particles, such as photons, over short distances. The technology and understanding of teleportation are still in its early stages, and it is not yet clear if teleporting larger objects or living beings will ever be possible.
The concept of teleportation involves the instantaneous transfer of an object or person from one location to another, without physically traveling through the space in between. This is usually achieved by breaking down the object or person into information (such as their molecular structure) and transmitting it to a different location, where it is reconstructed. However, this process is still theoretical and has not been successfully demonstrated on a large scale.
As with any new technology, there are ethical considerations that need to be addressed with teleportation. One major concern is the potential loss of individual identity, as the process involves deconstructing and reconstructing an object or person. There are also concerns about the safety and accuracy of the process, as well as the potential for misuse or exploitation.
If teleportation were to become a viable technology, it could have numerous applications in various industries. For example, it could revolutionize transportation, as people and goods could be instantly transported to any location without the need for vehicles. It could also have implications in healthcare, allowing for immediate medical care in remote or emergency situations.
Currently, the biggest limitation of teleportation is the lack of understanding and technology to teleport larger objects or living beings. There are also limitations in terms of the distance that can be teleported and the accuracy of the process. Additionally, the energy required for teleportation is currently beyond our capabilities, and the process may not be feasible in terms of cost and resources.