Double Pendulum Generalized Coordinates

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of the second angle measured from the vertical y-axis for the second generalized coordinate in a double pendulum system. There is a question about why this angle is used instead of measuring it relative to the first mass. It is mentioned that both formulations are valid and produce the same dynamics, but that measuring the second angle relative to a fixed axis may be simpler for practical purposes.
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The picture for the double pendulum I am referring to is pretty standard, wikipedia for example uses it and so does any other textbook.
I do not completely understand why one uses the second angle measured from the vertical y-axis for the second generalized coordinate. The second angle is not independent of the first, that is if the first angle moves, so does the second. Why not use the angle measured relative from the first mass to measure the second mass, that is use the angle that is calculated from being in the first masses reference frame for the second mass. This way, the second angle is independent of the first angle. Thanks for any help, I really appreciate it!
 
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Both formulations are completely fine. In terms of an implementation for measurement in a practical setting, it would make more sense to develop the equations of motion with the second angle being measured relative to the first, but both procedures are equivalent and produce identical dynamics
 
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Lagrangian is slightly simpler if you measure second angle relative to a fixed axis, vertical being the easiest due to symmetries. By the time you get to actual equations of motion, though, it won't matter.
 

1. What is a double pendulum?

A double pendulum is a physical system that consists of two pendulums connected by a pivot point. Each pendulum is made up of a mass attached to a string or rod that can swing freely back and forth.

2. What are generalized coordinates?

Generalized coordinates are a set of variables that describe the position and orientation of a system in a particular state. In the case of a double pendulum, these coordinates can be used to represent the angles and lengths of the two pendulums.

3. Why are generalized coordinates used for double pendulums?

Generalized coordinates are used for double pendulums because they simplify the mathematical analysis of the system. By using these coordinates, the equations of motion for the double pendulum can be written in a more compact and elegant form.

4. How do generalized coordinates differ from normal coordinates?

Generalized coordinates differ from normal coordinates in that they are not necessarily Cartesian coordinates (x, y, z). They can be any set of variables that uniquely determine the position and orientation of a system, such as angles and lengths in the case of a double pendulum.

5. What is the significance of the double pendulum in science?

The double pendulum is a commonly studied system in physics and engineering because it exhibits complex and chaotic behavior. It is often used as a model for other physical systems, such as molecules or celestial bodies, and its analysis has practical applications in fields such as robotics and control systems.

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