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What side do you think is going to win in real life?
Tell me why too.
Tell me why too.
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lockecole said:good and evil do not exist?
explain!
lockecole said:good and evil do not exist?
explain!
Gravity's pretty ubiquitous.Danger said:The only universal force is indifference.
As time approaches infinity, society approaches heat death/Big Crunch .Pengwuino said:Maybe a better way of putting this would be as time approaches infinity, does society approach a happy utopia or do we whipe ourselves off the face of the earth.
Of course, as far as i know, there's no mathematically based law that defines this relationship.
We have to die eventually. Our race won't last forever, the universe might not last forever. Mathematically the only answer is as time approaches infinity our race will be destroyed.Pengwuino said:Maybe a better way of putting this would be as time approaches infinity, does society approach a happy utopia or do we whipe ourselves off the face of the earth.
Of course, as far as i know, there's no mathematically based law that defines this relationship.
Zantra said:History is always written by the victors.
I think you're missing the real truth in that statement.outsider said:I see the truth in this, and have no choice but to agree... however I always have difficulties in stomaching the idea that everything we know, learn and teach is a half truth based on the victors perspective.
Basically, this way of thinking is encourages an aggressive approach for all future undertakings. Fairly sickening and worrisome as aggressors are seldom those who use their big muscle. What do you think?
Smurf said:I think you're missing the real truth in that statement.
"History is always written by the victors" is a way of saying, in a historical (military) context, that everything we learn and read is not truth per se, but rather a persons perspective on truth. How accurate that is, or how much you should agree with their perspective (should you know the real 'truth') is debatable.
Not my most articulate moment, but I hope that is somewhat clearer.
outsider said:Well, if there is only one real truth to this statement, then perhaps I failed to communicate my full understanding of it...
nonetheless, i do realize what it means, however my point was that this statement is used so much that it ALSO implies that "this is how it is and how it will be" and so the underlying message is that "might is right". To those who are unable to find a higher ground:
"if you got the guns, use them, no one will remember because you will just cover it up."
My point is that this line should be used less, as it can certainly be viewed out of context.
These are just thoughts to add on to thoughts... eloquence is secondary to the intended thought...
Zantra said:The context that I was using was perspective. I'm sure there are those who would choose to use this as a slogan for the "might is right" philosophy, but much as Islam is twisted to fit Jihad, so can these words be turned to fit a purpose. It's not the message, but the messanger that matters. It's up to the invdividual to gleen from the message what he may.
Skyhunter said:Evil exists only for thinking beings with free will.
When an action is contrary to "God's will", it is evil. If one believes in a supreme being, yet still commits an act that is contrary to "Gods will" they have commited a sin.
Since in eternity there is no time, the creation and extinction of such a person is simultaneous, that person not only doesn't exist anymore, they never existed. Therefore in an eternal reality there is no evil.
I would argue that they are never evil, regardless of the circumstances. Evil is just a concept conjured up to justify someone being able to excercise control over someone else. Rape, or even Murder is not inherently evil. Death is not evil, why should causing it be Evil?loseyourname said:You guys really have that Palpatinian view of what is good and evil, don't you? Do you honestly think there is no action (such as say, raping and slicing the throat of a three year-old girl) is just plain evil,
Smurf said:I would argue that they are never evil, regardless of the circumstances. Evil is just a concept conjured up to justify someone being able to excercise control over someone else. Rape, or even Murder is not inherently evil. Death is not evil, why should causing it be Evil?
What side do you think is going to win in real life?
Tell me why too.
Yes. Rude and Friendly have well defined and universally understood meanings. Evil does not. Evil has every meaning, because everyone intereprets it in their own way, so effectively it has no meaning at all.loseyourname said:So you think the word 'evil' literally has no meaning? What about "rude?" Friendly? Is it not possible for someone to be friendly?