Does a photon have energy if its mass is 0?

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In summary: Callum, p=mv is valid in Newtonian physics only (in the form \displaystyle{\vec{p}=m\vec{v}}). You may have seen p=mv with m the so-called "relativistic mass" which is a highly useless and misleading notion, now abandoned even in introductory texts.In summary, the conversation discusses the equation E=hf as it relates to the energy of a photon and the confusion surrounding how a photon can have energy without having mass. The concept of rest mass and the relationship between energy, mass, and momentum in relativity is also mentioned. The conclusion is that p=mv is only valid in Newtonian physics and the notion of relativistic mass is no longer used.
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Ok so the equation E= hf about the energy of a photon, I'm having a problem understanding energies to do with photons.
Since, E=hf
∴ 1/2mv2=hf. But if m=0 how can a photon have energy?
 
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hf is NOT the "kinetic energy" of photons. So you cannot equate things that are different.

Read this FAQ Thread.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=511175

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(1/2)mv^2 doesn't work for energy in relativity. The general relationship between energy, mass and momentum in relativity is

##E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2##

where m is the invariant mass which is sometimes called "rest mass." For photons, m = 0 so E = pc, that is, they can have both energy and momentum even though they don't have ("rest") mass.
 
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jtbell said:
where m is the invariant mass which is sometimes called "rest mass." For photons, m = 0 so E = pc, that is, they can have both energy and momentum even though they don't have ("rest") mass.

But if p=mv then are we not back at the same problem, sorry for my ignorance I just wish to understand it.
 
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The point is that ##p=mv## does not hold for a massless object. If it would, then ##v=\infty## and we have nonsense. I recommend Giancoli's 6th Edition of Physics for a deeper understanding of Photons.
 
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Callum, p=mv is valid in Newtonian physics only (in the form [itex] \displaystyle{\vec{p}=m\vec{v}} [/itex]). You may have seen p=mv with m the so-called <relativistic mass> which is a highly useless and missleading notion, now abandoned even in introductory texts.
 

1. What is the equation E=hf?

The equation E=hf is known as the Planck-Einstein relation, which relates the energy (E) of a photon to its frequency (f) and Planck's constant (h). It is commonly used in quantum mechanics to describe the energy of a single photon of light.

2. How is E=hf related to mass?

E=hf is not directly related to mass. However, according to Einstein's famous equation E=mc2, mass (m) and energy (E) are equivalent and can be converted into each other. This means that the energy (E) in E=hf can also be expressed in terms of mass.

3. What is h in the E=hf equation?

h, also known as Planck's constant, is a fundamental physical constant that relates the energy of a photon to its frequency. Its value is approximately 6.626 x 10^-34 joule-seconds.

4. How is E=hf used in scientific research?

E=hf is used in various areas of scientific research, particularly in quantum mechanics and the study of light and electromagnetic radiation. It is also used in fields such as spectroscopy, which involves the analysis of the interaction between light and matter.

5. Can E=hf be applied to all types of energy?

No, E=hf is specifically used to describe the energy of a single photon of light. It cannot be applied to other forms of energy, such as thermal, kinetic, or potential energy. However, it can be used to calculate the energy of a beam of light or a collection of photons.

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