Count Proton Particles: How Many?

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In summary, protons are made up of three particles called quarks - a red quark, a blue quark, and a green quark. However, in high-energy collisions, protons can also produce a large amount of other particles due to the combined energy of the incoming protons. These particles cannot be further divided and are considered to be elementary particles. They do not have a physical shape and are described as point particles. In addition to the three valence quarks, protons also contain sea quarks and gluons, which play a role in high-energy collisions. These particles can only exist within hadrons such as protons, and cannot exist independently.
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I was reading about this experiment and collision and I wondered...is a proton really made up of this many sub particles? According to the caption this picture represents the result of colliding two protons together. So am I looking at the sub-proton particles of both of these protons.

Is there really that many? All stuffed into two protons? Can any of these be further divided? Do any of them exist independently outside of the proton so that two of THEM can be collided together to see what comes out?

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thetexan said:
is a proton really made up of this many sub particles?

No. The outgoing particles are created in the collision, out of the combined energy of the incoming protons.
 
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Protons are made of three particles, a red quark, a blue quark, and a green quark. Remember, particle accelerators fire beams of protons, not just one at a time, producing a large amount of particles, not just from the protons.

Also, these cannot be further subdivided, they are elementary particles. They don't actually look like 3-dimensional balls, they are point particles.

EDIT: Ah, jtbell beat me to it.
 
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Mark M said:
Protons are made of three particles, a red quark, a blue quark, and a green quark.
That is a bad model for high-energetic collisions.

It is better to look at Protons as a sum of many particles, usually called partons - 3 valence quarks, and in addition sea quarks (like virtual quark/antiquark pairs) and gluons.
While the valence quarks usually have a large energy, you have many gluons and sea quarks with low energy. This is described via so-called structure functions.

If you look at the LHC, for example, the usual process for generating some particles is the collision of gluons.


>> Do any of them exist independently outside of the proton
They can exist in hadrons (like the proton) only, you cannot have individual gluons or individual quarks.
 
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mfb said:
That is a bad model for high-energetic collisions.

It is better to look at Protons as a sum of many particles, usually called partons - 3 valence quarks, and in addition sea quarks (like virtual quark/antiquark pairs) and gluons.
While the valence quarks usually have a large energy, you have many gluons and sea quarks with low energy. This is described via so-called structure functions.

Thanks, my knowledge of particle physics is rather lacking, this had originally been posted quantum physics, which is why I had answered.
 

1. How do you count proton particles?

To count proton particles, scientists use a device called a particle accelerator. This device accelerates protons to high speeds and then uses detectors to count the particles as they collide with other particles.

2. Why is it important to know how many proton particles there are?

Counting proton particles is important for understanding the composition of matter and the structure of atoms. It also plays a crucial role in many scientific fields such as particle physics and nuclear chemistry.

3. What is the average number of proton particles in an atom?

The average number of proton particles in an atom varies depending on the element. For example, hydrogen atoms have one proton, while carbon atoms have six protons. The average number of protons in all elements is around 7.

4. Can you count individual proton particles?

Yes, with the use of advanced technology like particle accelerators and detectors, scientists can count individual proton particles. However, this process can be challenging and requires precision and accuracy.

5. How do scientists determine the number of proton particles in a sample?

To determine the number of proton particles in a sample, scientists use a process called spectroscopy. This involves analyzing the energy and wavelengths of light emitted or absorbed by the sample to identify the elements present and their respective number of protons.

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