Can Logarithms Simplify Exponential Equations?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation 3^x - 3^(x-1) = 1000 using logarithms and properties of exponents. Participants explore various methods to simplify the equation and find the value of x.

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  • One participant suggests using logarithms directly on the equation but struggles with the manipulation of terms.
  • Another participant proposes a method of factoring the expression, illustrating the pattern with examples of exponential subtraction.
  • A third participant provides a similar factoring approach, emphasizing the properties of exponents to derive the solution.
  • Some participants reiterate the same solution steps, showing different paths to arrive at the same conclusion for x.
  • One participant expresses confusion about logarithmic properties and seeks clarification on their application in flowcharts.

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There is no consensus on a single method, as multiple participants present different approaches to solving the equation. Some methods overlap, but variations in explanation and steps indicate differing levels of understanding and agreement on the process.

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Participants express varying familiarity with logarithmic concepts, and some steps in the mathematical reasoning are not fully resolved or clarified, particularly regarding the application of logarithmic properties.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about logarithms and exponential equations, as well as those seeking different methods to approach similar mathematical problems.

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IS there a way to find x if given:

3^x - 3^(x-1) = 1000


I tried to take log [3^x - 3^(x-1)]/log[3] = log1000/log3

but then, x-x-1 = ...
 
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well, I've never done logarithms really, but I figured out how to do this


to break it down it goes like this

(3*3*3*3...*3*3) - (3*3*3*3..*3) = 1000

so therefore 1 less 3 is multiplied in the second part...heres a simple example so you can see the pattern

(5*5*5*5) - (5*5*5) = (5*5*5)*(5-1)

therefore we can say in general that this means

N^m - N^(m-1) = (N^(m-1))*(N-1)

now instead of the left side of the equation above, we use the right side, and solve for x

(3^(x-1))*(3-1) = 1000
3^(x-1) = 1000/(3-1)
3^(x-1) = 500
log (3^(x-1)) = log (500)
(x-1)(log 3) = log (500)
x-1 = log (500)/log (3)
x = [log (500)/log (3)] + 1

and voila, you have x...

another way of looking at this is that since you are subtracting something with one less *3, then 3^x : 3^(x-1) is 3:1. 3-1=2, so 2:1000. This means that 3:1500 and 1:500. Therefore 3^x = 1500 and x^(x-1) = 500

I hope this helps
 
You can use the properties of exponents to factor your inital expression.

[tex]3^x - 3^{(x-1)}=1000[/tex]
[tex]3^x -3^x 3^{-1}=1000[/tex]
[tex]3^x(1 - 3^{-1})=1000[/tex]
[tex]3^x= 1500[/tex]
[tex]ln(3^x)= ln 1500[/tex]
[tex]x ln 3= ln 1500[/tex]
[tex]x = \frac {ln 1500} {ln 3}[/tex]

I'll leave it to the reader to show that the 2 results are the same.
 
another solution:
instead of factoring 3^x, factor out 3^x-1
(3^x)-{3(x-1)}=1000
{3^(x-1)}[3-1]=1000
{3^(x-1)}2=1000
{3^(x-1)}=500
log{3^(x-1)}=log(500)
(x-1)log3=log500
x=[(log500)/(log3)]+1
 
Warr said:
well, I've never done logarithms really, but I figured out how to do this


to break it down it goes like this

(3*3*3*3...*3*3) - (3*3*3*3..*3) = 1000

so therefore 1 less 3 is multiplied in the second part...heres a simple example so you can see the pattern

(5*5*5*5) - (5*5*5) = (5*5*5)*(5-1)

therefore we can say in general that this means

N^m - N^(m-1) = (N^(m-1))*(N-1)

now instead of the left side of the equation above, we use the right side, and solve for x

(3^(x-1))*(3-1) = 1000
3^(x-1) = 1000/(3-1)
3^(x-1) = 500
log (3^(x-1)) = log (500)
(x-1)(log 3) = log (500)
x-1 = log (500)/log (3)
x = [log (500)/log (3)] + 1

and voila, you have x...

another way of looking at this is that since you are subtracting something with one less *3, then 3^x : 3^(x-1) is 3:1. 3-1=2, so 2:1000. This means that 3:1500 and 1:500. Therefore 3^x = 1500 and x^(x-1) = 500

I hope this helps
How can I understand the logarithms requirements in flowcharts? Easily please, I am mad about a situation with a proffesor.
 
evagriselda said:
How can I understand the logarithms requirements in flowcharts? Easily please, I am mad about a situation with a proffesor.
u mean something like

log (a*b) = log a + log b?

they are called Log Rules or Log Properties.
 

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