Presidential elections: popular vote, proportional votes, winner take all?

In summary, a winner take all electoral vote system disadvantages rural and sparsely populated states, while a proportional electoral vote system advantages populous states.
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Do you think Presidential elections should be decided by popular vote, a proportionals distribution of electoral votes (similar to Nebraska and Maine), or by a winner take all electoral vote system?

After you answer, check out this article. It might change your mind:

California Proposal Could Sway 2008 Race

I like the Nebraska/Maine system. As is, if you live in Western New York (mostly Republican), you may as well not vote for President. If you live in parts of California, you may as well not vote for President. Even in a smaller state like Colorado there's a huge difference between Denver and the rest of the state.
 
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I would prefer a popular vote. One person, one vote, no districts to gerrymander, and no state-by state winner take all. As things stand, a candidate can win by a slim majority in a few key states, lose the popular election, and claim victory. That is certainly not the basis for a fair representative democracy. In fact, it is a formula for the disenfranchisement of voters from rural/sparsely-populated states, whose voices are not heard and whose votes are not courted. Why campaign in Maine or South Dakota, when you can win the election with slim margins in FL, TX, NY, PA, OK, and CA? Politics is a game of greed and payback, and candidates see little payback for addressing the needs of rural communities.
 
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I would prefer a popular vote. One person, one vote, no districts to gerrymander, and no state-by state winner take all. As things stand, a candidate can win by a slim majority in a few key states, lose the popular election, and claim victory. That is certainly not the basis for a fair representative democracy. In fact, it is a formula for the disenfranchisement of voters from rural/sparsely-populated states, whose voices are not heard and whose votes are not courted. Why campaign in Maine or South Dakota, when you can win the election with slim margins in FL, TX, NY, PA, OK, and CA? Politics is a game of greed and payback, and candidates see little payback for addressing the needs of rural communities.

Rural, sparsely populated states have an advantage in a proportional electoral vote system. Electoral votes are based on representatives in Congress and each state has a minimum of 3 (2 Sen, 1 Rep) regardless of how small their population is. A vote in South Dakota is worth 2.12 times as many electoral votes as the average (keeping in mind a single vote is an extremely small fraction of an electoral vote). A vote in Maine is worth 1.66 times as many electoral votes as the average.

Populous states are disadvantaged. A vote in Florida is worth .85, a vote in Texas .83, New York .88, PA .92, OK 1.08, and CA .84.
http://fairvote.org/?page=985

If small states are disenfranchised, it's because there's almost no chance of their votes switching from one party to the other in a winner take all system.

Any electoral power under the winner take all system is because of a balance between Republicans and Democrats. A vote in Ohio in 2004 was worth more in electoral votes than South Dakota or New York because Ohio was a close election worth 20 electoral votes. South Dakota and New York could be safely put in a candidate's pocket before the campaigns even started.
 

1. What is the difference between the popular vote and proportional vote in presidential elections?

The popular vote refers to the total number of votes cast by citizens in a presidential election. It is used to determine the overall preference of the electorate. On the other hand, a proportional vote system allocates electoral votes based on the percentage of votes a candidate receives in a particular state.

2. How does the winner take all system work in presidential elections?

In the winner take all system, the candidate who receives the majority of votes in a state wins all of that state's electoral votes. This means that even if a candidate wins by a small margin, they will receive all of the electoral votes for that state.

3. Why is the electoral college used instead of a popular vote in presidential elections?

The electoral college was established by the founding fathers as a compromise between electing the president by popular vote and by Congress. It was designed to give smaller states with fewer voters a more equal say in the election process.

4. Can a candidate win the popular vote but lose the election?

Yes, it is possible for a candidate to win the popular vote but lose the election. This has happened several times in US history, most recently in the 2016 election. This is due to the winner take all system and the fact that the electoral college ultimately determines the outcome of the election.

5. Are there any states that do not use the winner take all system?

Yes, there are two states, Maine and Nebraska, that do not use the winner take all system. Instead, they allocate their electoral votes proportionally based on the popular vote in each congressional district. This means that a candidate can win some but not all of a state's electoral votes.

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