WMD scam in preparation?

Adam

Only the stupidity of the people I see.

Ah, the always popular "You're anti-American!" Prove it, or stop saying it.

Does the Tehran Times being state run make it wrong? Is CNN absolutely independent of state policy? Actually, I think you'll find that the Tehran Times is as influenced by commercial factors as any news agency in Australia or the USA.

I think you'll find that I posted the link to Mehr News.

You asked which other news sites were carrying the story. I provided links to several. Why are you still whinging?

Phatmonky, you've been caught lying and making whopping great errors all over the place, which I have outlined. I've shown people precisely how you have mislead and lied, by well-known mechanisms of discussion which honest, intelligent people avoid. If you don't want me to show everyone how pathetic and basically wrong your posts are, then stop doing it.

You asked for sites carrying the story. I showed some. Job done. Now stop whinging.

As I said earlier, you would ignore the seven news sources and simply claim they are all "unworthy" or such. Bravo. Congratulations for being so predictable. So, why do you consider every news service referenced by other people to be unworthy? Simply because it disagrees with you?

You're obviously unaware of this, so it's time for a little more education. All the news services buy stories and pictures and such off each other, and off independent reporters. CNN does it. Al Jazeera does it. ABC does it. BBC does it. Every time you look at a news article on CNN (that wonderfully independent news source), and it has Associated Press, or Reuters, or such at the bottom, that means they are reposting a story they got from somewhere else.

phatmonky

Well, atleast I'm not the only one

Adam

This is where some familiarity with history is useful. It's already been done. The CIA did it for the start of the USA-Vietnam war, planting a barge-load of weapons on a river, then "finding " it later.

Given that they have done it, how can you possibly say it's illogical or unlikely?

In short, your appeal to ridicule (http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-ridicule.html) does nothing for you. Try again.

Njorl

Please read more carefully. Seeing as how you quoted me saying:

I would think that you might have read it. What I claimed to be illogical was that they would do it in such a pathetically stupid way.

These remain unrefuted:

The source is not reputable.
The hypothesis is not of a falsifiable nature.
The hypothesis is not logically self-consistant.

Edited to add - By the way Adam, have you ever read that site to which you linked? With regards to "Appeal to ridicule" it states, "It should be noted that showing that a claim is ridiculous through the use of legitimate methods (such as a non fallacious argument) can make it reasonable to reject the claim. "

Njorl

ptex

Thank you phatmonky
State run news sources are by nature suspect. Americans did bring in WMDs in the form of USMC and they were not hidden they were in plain view.

Adam

Njorl, you said it is not likely, ridiculous, and wouldn't happen with so many people. You were wrong. It's already happened. Deal with it.

Njorl

So Adam, when (or if) the CIA engaged in this conspiracy in Vietnam, did they engage the use of foreigners from multiple countries for no aparent reason? Did they engage uncontrolled private contractors? Did they go out of their way to be found out, engaging in reckless, stupid practices to no possible advantage?

Learn to read.

Njorl

Njorl

Since you like the Nizkor project so much, here are your fallacies:

Appeal to Authority
You use the Tehran times as a source of authority. You need to present reason for it to be recognised as such.

Burden of Proof
You are the one making an unfalsifiable claim. You are the one who bears the burden of proof.

Njorl

Adam

They used the CIA, arms suppliers, whoever sold them the barge, some reporters, and some locals. A lot of people.

The purpose was to justify invasion. And it worked. Thus the advantage.

Adam

That's not actually an appeal to authority. I have not said "This is true because the Tehran Times is an expert on the matter". I have presented news, and people have made appeals to ridicule in response. Here you go: http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...authority.html

Njorl

...and the inventors of gunpowder and the barge were in on it too, indirectly.

Who was "in on it" really. Were the reporters acting as CIA operatives? I'd like some specifics if that's what you allege.

Njorl

Njorl

Oh, so you are not a rational participant in a debate. You are a base rumormonger. This is significantly more condemning of you. It is, I suppose, somewhat noble of you to admit your nature. This also means you should not be protected by any of the rules of debate, as you admit to not being a participant thereof.

Njorl

phatmonky

Since this thread is long derailed, I have to say that this is the funniest thing I have read on this board in a long time!