Can Injective Functions Imply Surjective Ones Without the Axiom of Choice?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between injective and surjective functions without invoking the Axiom of Choice. It asserts that if A is non-empty and s: A->B is injective, a surjective function f: B->A can be constructed such that f(s(a))=a for all a in A. The solution involves demonstrating that each point in A corresponds uniquely to a point in B, allowing for the construction of f. A key point raised is the distinction between needing to select a single element versus an entire set, clarifying that the Axiom of Choice is not necessary in this context. The conversation emphasizes the ability to define f without relying on the Axiom of Choice for the specific case discussed.
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Homework Statement



if A is not empty and s:A->B is injective, then there is a surjective function f:B->A such that f(s(a))=a for all a in A. Do not use the Axiom of Choice

The Attempt at a Solution



for all b', b'' in B s(b')=s(b'') means b'=b''. So s^-1 (c) is unique in A. Because any point in A is sent to at most one point in B, we can just let f send every point in B of the form s(c) to c.

now we only need to send all the other points somewhere. Here I need to 'pick' some point once again. Why do I not need the AC here?
 
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jacobrhcp said:
now we only need to send all the other points somewhere. Here I need to 'pick' some point once again. Why do I not need the AC here?

Hi jacobrhcp! :smile:

Because the axiom of choice is only for choosing the whole set … here, you only need to choose one element. :wink:

For revision, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_choice
 
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