Could the gravity of a object be directly related to the density

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The discussion centers on the relationship between gravity, density, and speed of objects, particularly in the context of the Higgs field. Participants argue that gravity is primarily proportional to mass rather than density, asserting that two objects with the same mass will exert the same gravitational force regardless of their density. There is skepticism about the idea that an object's speed could influence its gravitational effect, especially if it is moving at a constant velocity. The conversation also touches on misconceptions regarding general relativity, clarifying that while it may struggle at singularities, it accurately describes gravitational interactions under normal conditions. Overall, the consensus emphasizes that mass is the key factor in gravitational force, not density or speed.
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my son asked me a question that i can not find an answer too and i hope you can all help me :


could the gravity of a object be directly related to the density and speed of the object as it passes through the higs field ?
 
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millman said:
my son asked me a question that i can not find an answer too and i hope you can all help me :


could the gravity of a object be directly related to the density and speed of the object as it passes through the higs field ?

I would have thought that gravity is directly related to the density of an object.
As for the speed of an object, well some say the faster an object is moving the more energy it has which they then equate to an increase in mass and hence it will exert more gravity. I'm not a great fan of that idea. If the object is accelerating then that might be a different case, but just simply floating along with a uniform speed I can't see it.
 


According to everything I've studied, the gravitational force produced by an object is directly proportional to it's mass. But I will admit that I have not studied GR, which may have more to say.
 


Density<-- Change this to Mass I guess... And imo and probably only mine density/mass is just how much space it displaces.
 
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I think that density is the wrong word to use here. Just changing an objects density will not change the force of it's gravitational field. If I have two objects with the same mass but different densities then they will both still produce the same gravitational force, as long as the distance does not fall below the radius of the larger object.
 


Right - what density affects is only how close you can get to the [center of] the object. If we're talking about the Earth orbiting the sun, the density of the sun is completely irrelevant. Someone asked the question just yesterday: If you replace the sun with a black hole of equal mass, what happen's to Earth's orbit? Answer: Nothing.
 


Well, except for the part where things get dark and start to get cold about 8 minutes later...
 


hahahah at least that's one thing we don't have to worry about :approve:

the one question that this has raised with my self is , as we currently stand einsteins theories fail at 2 points one being the event horrizon of a black hole the other the big bang.
what if gravity instead of being one of the 4 forces is in fact a result of dense matter passing through the higs field the denser the matter the greater the affect the greater the mass?
 


General relativity actually doesn't fail at the event horizon of a black hole. This is a pretty common misconception. Where GR fails is the singularity of a black hole, and similarly, any proposed singularity at the big bang.
 
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Well many people have studied this, physicists and mathematicians and its shown that gravity is directly proportional to the mass, and density of an object doesn't affect it.
Stated in terms of Newtons theory of gravitation, which isn't a totally accurate description of what's going on but close enough for this.
Gravitational force exerted depends on the mass of the object attracting, the mass of the object being attracted and the distance between them.
 

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