Incomprehensible part in Griffiths' text

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The discussion centers on the self-energy of charge configurations and the implications of infinite energy required to construct a point charge, as noted by Griffiths. It highlights the confusion surrounding the concept of setting the zero of potential at infinity, which leads to infinite potentials and energy issues in classical electromagnetism. The conversation suggests that redefining the zero potential at the location of the point charge could resolve the infinity problem. Additionally, it touches on the behavior of electric fields from infinite charge distributions and how charge density affects field strength as dimensions increase. The key takeaway is the importance of carefully choosing the reference point for potential in electromagnetic theory.
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After deriving the self energy, or the energy to construct a charge configuration\frac{\int_{V} \epsilon E^{2}dV} {2}(where V is the volume over which the E-field of the configuration extends.)

Griffiths goes on to say that the energy required to construct a point charge using the above formula would be infinity. With this statement, I can agree. But then he also adds that this is a big problem with classical EM theory. I cannot comprehend that. I don't quite see the problem.

Remember when we were dealing with the field of an infinite sheet? The field turns out to be a constant,

\frac{\sigma}{2 \epsilon}

where \sigma happens to be uniform charge density over the infinite sheet. In that problem, when we set the zero of the potential at infinity, the problem got very messy. Potentials would always shoot to infinity. That problem was crucial (at least to me) in showing that one ought to be careful in setting the zero of the potential.

If we carry over what we've learnt, then the "problem" of infinities of a point charge disappear. In deriving the above formula for energy of a point charge, he sets the zero at infinity. Why not just set the zero AT the point charge in this problem? Wouldn't that solve the problem?
 
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anirudh215 said:
Why not just set the zero AT the point charge in this problem? Wouldn't that solve the problem?

Please take a look at what is set to zero. Is it the field or is it the potential? What difference does that make? <--- There's a hint in my wording.
 
Also put a finite charge q on a finite sheet of area A. As the area of the sheet increases, the charge density decreases as σ' = Aσ/A'. So the field drops off with length squared as dimensions increase to ∞.

Bob S
 
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