# Forces Free Body Diagram & Finding μ

by jumbogala
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 P: 396 1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data See the diagram here: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...lip/bar2-1.jpg Known quantities: L, Ff. a) Find the x and y components of A and B. b) μ is a known quantity; give an expression for A in this case. 2. Relevant equations 3. The attempt at a solution a) Rx = Ff N + Ry - mg = 0 net torque about the blue point must also be zero. I'm unsure how to calculate the torque, since the entire length of the plank isn't spanned by the step and floor. Does gravity still act at the center of mass, 0.5L? If so then net torque: 0 = 0.9LR - mg0.5Lcosθ Then I can solve for R: R = (mg0.5Lcosθ)/0.9L = (5/9)mgcosθ And knowing R and Rx I can get Ry (pythagoras' thm), and from Ry I can find N. Is that correct? b) This is what's really confusing me! I thought Ff = μN so N = Ff/μ, but I don't think it can be that simple.
 PF Patron HW Helper P: 3,440 Is the contact between the corner of the step and the plank frictionless? What does the problem say about that?
 P: 396 It doesn't say that directly. It just shows Ff in the diagram acting on the blue spot (the floor). So it doesn't explicitly say it's not frictionless, but I assumed it was. I'm not sure if that's okay, but if it's not I can't assume A is perpendicular to the bar. And if A isn't perpendicular to the bar my torque equation gets messed up... and it also doesn't show a 90 angle symbol between A and the bar. =S
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## Forces Free Body Diagram & Finding μ

 Quote by jumbogala It doesn't say that directly. It says "the friction force that stops the bar from sliding has magnitude Ff", and then it shows Ff in the diagram acting on the blue spot (the floor). So it doesn't explicitly say it's not frictionless, but I assumed it was. I'm not sure if that's okay, but if it's not I can't assume R is perpendicular to the bar. And if R isn't perpendicular to the bar my torque equation gets messed up...
OK. I think you can safely assume that the contact is frictionless - I was just checking. For part (b), yes you can write N = Ff/µ and it's that simple. Usually with this sort of problem you are given µ and you are asked to find the angle at which slipping is just about to start or you are given the critical angle and are asked to find µ. Here you are given both it seems, so it is that simple as long as what you have down as "known quantities" for part (a) do not change in part (b).
 P: 396 No, the only new known quantity seems to be µ. I guess you could also write B = Rx/µ, but that would probably be pointless. And it is true that the center of mass is still at 0.5L, and gravity acts there, no matter where the bar is balanced?
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 Quote by jumbogala And it is true that the center of mass is still at 0.5L, and gravity acts there, no matter where the bar is balanced?
Yup.
 P: 396 Okay, thank you so much!

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