Newton's Law of Cooling formula

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The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's Law of Cooling to estimate the time of death based on body temperature readings over time. Participants explore the formula T(t)=T_s + (T_0 - T_s) e^{-kt} and its implications in different scenarios, including specific cases with given temperatures and surrounding conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving a body found at 12:00 pm with temperatures recorded at 90°F and 80°F, seeking to determine the time of death assuming a normal body temperature of 100°F.
  • Another participant outlines steps to use the formula, identifying known values such as T_s=75°F and proposing to solve for k using the temperature readings.
  • A different participant reformulates the problem by setting the time of death as t0 and creating two equations based on the temperature readings at t0 and t1, suggesting that these can be solved simultaneously for k and t0.
  • One participant provides a worked example, deriving a time of death of 28 minutes before 12:00 pm, concluding at 11:32 am, while noting the calculations involved.
  • Several participants express confusion or seek clarification on notation and the application of the formula, particularly regarding a separate scenario involving a body found at 6:00 am with different temperature readings.
  • Questions arise about the necessity of knowing the temperature at the time of discovery and the meaning of 'e' in the formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of Newton's Law of Cooling for estimating time of death, but there are multiple competing views on how to apply the formula correctly in different scenarios. Some participants express uncertainty about specific calculations and assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential inaccuracies in the temperature readings provided and the assumptions made regarding the normal body temperature. There is also a lack of consensus on how to handle certain variables in the equations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in forensic science, physics applications in real-world scenarios, or those studying Newton's Law of Cooling in an academic context.

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Im having a bit of trouble using Newton's Law of cooling. I have been given the formula [tex]T(t)=T_s + (T_0 - T_s) e^{-kt}[/tex]. I am trying to find the time of death of a body, and I am given the time the body was found 12.00pm, its temp around 90, 2nd check, at around 1.00pm, temp is 80, and the surrounding temp is 75. How would i find the time of death, assuming that the body when it died was 100.

Note these values are prolly inacurate, I am just wanting to know how to use it to find the time of death. Thanks.
 
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1.you already know the value [tex]T_{s}=75[/tex]
2. Let t=0 be at 12.00 pm.
Hence, you have T(0)=90, which detemines in your formula [tex]T_{0}=90[/tex]
3. At t=1, the body temperature T(1), has decreased to 80;
hence, you may determine k by the relation:
[tex]e^{-k}=\frac{T(1)-T_{s}}{T_{0}-T_{s}}[/tex]
4.
Here, you are given T(t*)=100, where t* is the time of death, measured in hours relative to 12.00 pm (t=0)
Plug and chug and solve for t* (it will be given as a negative value, since it happened prior to 12.00pm
 
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maccaman said:
Im having a bit of trouble using Newton's Law of cooling. I have been given the formula [tex]T(t)=T_s + (T_0 - T_s) e^{-kt}[/tex]. I am trying to find the time of death of a body, and I am given the time the body was found 12.00pm, its temp around 90, 2nd check, at around 1.00pm, temp is 80, and the surrounding temp is 75. How would i find the time of death, assuming that the body when it died was 100.

Note these values are prolly inacurate, I am just wanting to know how to use it to find the time of death. Thanks.

If you set your clock at zero at the time of death and call 12pm t0 and 1pm t1 then you get two equations:

T(t0)=Ts+(T0-Ts)e^(-kt0)
T(t1)=Ts+(T0-Ts)e^(-kt1)
=Ts+(T0-Ts)e^(-k(t0+1)) t1=t0+1 (in hours!)
=Ts+(T0-Ts)e^(-k(t0))e^(-k)

so: 90 = 75 + (100-75)e^(-k*t0)
and:80 = 75 + (100-75)e^(-k*t0)e^(-k)

These are two equations with two unknowns (k and t0), so can be solved. t0 is the time of death in hours before 12pm.
 
[tex]T(t)=T_s + (T_0 - T_s) e^{-kt}[/tex]

[tex]90=75 + (100 - 75) e^{-kt}[/tex]

[tex]15=25e^{-kt}[/tex]

[tex]ln0.6=-kt[/tex]

[tex]\frac{ln0.6}{t}=-k[/tex]

now sub this into the second equation

[tex]80=75 + (90 - 75) e^{-kt}[/tex]

[tex]5=15e^{ln0.6/t \ [60min]}[/tex]

[tex]ln\frac{5}{15}=ln0.6/t \ [60min][/tex]

[tex]t = 28min[/tex]
Therefore the body dies 28 minutes befoure 12, or at 11:32a.m.
 
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sorry about my notation on the second part, I am not shure how to use this latex stuff yet.
 
I have a question that needs an answer asap!

A body is found at 6.00am. . . .body temperature 25 celsius.. . .30minutes later. .body temperature is 22 celsius. Surrounding temperature is 15 celsius and normal body is 37 celsius. Estimate time of death.
 
Ruthie said:
I have a question that needs an answer asap!

A body is found at 6.00am. . . .body temperature 25 celsius.. . .30minutes later. .body temperature is 22 celsius. Surrounding temperature is 15 celsius and normal body is 37 celsius. Estimate time of death.

The above posts have all the equations you need to solve this problem. Please first explain what you don't understand; then we'll know how to help.
 
Ruthie said:
I have a question that needs an answer asap!

A body is found at 6.00am. . . .body temperature 25 celsius.. . .30minutes later. .body temperature is 22 celsius. Surrounding temperature is 15 celsius and normal body is 37 celsius. Estimate time of death.
How do you do that problem without knowing the temperature at 6:00 AM?
 
what is 'e' in that formula?
 

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