Bogus Claim - Obama wants to implement Sharia Law


by Ivan Seeking
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Oct22-10, 11:02 AM
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When Ivan asked me to reconsider, I stepped back to look at it from the perspective of all of the crackpot claims being circulated on the internet about Obama.

I read a lot of news blurbs on yahoo (to keep up with what might be posted in the lounge) and the comments about Obama at the bottom of any article are just insane to the point that it makes me cringe. So, I do see the usefullness of a thread addressing this type of nuttiness.

Ivan, perhaps delete this thread and start over with a thread about the growing trend of rumor mongering about Obama? It has become somewhat of a disturbing phenomena.
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Quote Quote by Evo View Post
When Ivan asked me to reconsider, I stepped back to look at it from the perspective of all of the crackpot claims being circulated on the internet about Obama.

I read a lot of news blurbs on yahoo (to keep up with what might be posted in the lounge) and the comments about Obama at the bottom of any article are just insane to the point that it makes me cringe. So, I do see the usefullness of a thread addressing this type of nuttiness.

Ivan, perhaps delete this thread and start over with a thread about the growing trend of rumor mongering about Obama? It has become somewhat of a disturbing phenomena.
And how to illustrate the insanity? None of the really disturbing crap is posted on sites that meet PF guidelines, and can't be linked to without risking trouble here. There is some truly insane stuff being flung around out there. The sad part is that some gullible people will believe it and repeat it.
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And how to illustrate the insanity? None of the really disturbing crap is posted on sites that meet PF guidelines, and can't be linked to without risking trouble here. There is some truly insane stuff being flung around out there. The sad part is that some gullible people will believe it and repeat it.
Here are two sites that talk about the myths. This was just a quick google.

http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/b...ocial-security

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_212571.html

And this article

Consider for a moment the long and growing list of patently false and utterly irrational claims (especially about President Obama and his administration):

The abjectly crazy "birther" and "Obama-is-a-Muslim" movements,

The allegations about health care reform "death panels,"

Last year's absurd claims that, by addressing American schoolchildren, Obama was trying to "indoctrinate" them and spread a "socialist" ideology,

The myth that the Obama administration was "coming to get" the guns of law abiding citizens,

The claims that plans to expand the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps were part of an effort create a "civilian national security force" and to herd young people into "re-education" camps.

The claim that Obama was launching a nefarious plot to mandate circumcision!

It would be one thing if these moronic assertions were merely the flotsam and jetsam of the blogosphere - wacky urban myths that occasionally "go viral" on the Internet at the hands of spammers and other troubled souls who spend too much staring at computer screens. It's quite another, however, when these claims are repeated as fact by supposedly serious politicians affiliated with supposedly responsible political parties.
http://www.ncpolicywatch.com/cms/201...talking-point/

This is the kind of thing I was anticipating being discussed.
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Quote Quote by arildno View Post
Has Obama ever criticized sharia for being the evil system of law it happens to be?

Or has he, rather, been fervent in praising islamic culture&traditions, even bowing his head to one of the very worst dictators on the planet, namely the king of SA?
But it's one thing to criticize an action that you don't approve of and completely another to believe wild myths. One is acceptable and understandable, the other is ignorance or worse.

Bush bowed down and kissed the Pope's ring, but there was no flack over that. Bush walked holding hands with Middle Eastern leaders. That happens to be an acceptable custom there and Bush decided to follow their traditions.
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But it's one thing to criticize an action that you don't approve of and completely another to believe wild myths. One is acceptable and understandable, the other is ignorance or worse.
Correct.
But why is it that hardcore Obama supporters dismisses all valid criticism of him through guilt-by-association to the ones on the rabid right?
That is basically what Ivanseeking is doing in this thread.

Bush bowed down and kissed the Pope's ring, but there was no flack over that.
And?
Is there a moral equivalence between the actions of the Pope and the king of Saudi Arabia?
If not, then there is no moral equivalence between the two president's signs of respect, either.
(A better example would be consistent, and continuing support of the utterly evil SA kingdom from BOTH presidents).

Bush walked holding hands with Middle Eastern leaders. That happens to be an acceptable custom there and Bush decided to follow their traditions.
And bowing is, according to ME customs, a sign of..subservience, rather than a sign of equal standing.
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Quote Quote by arildno View Post
Correct.
But why is it that hardcore Obama supporters dismisses all valid criticism of him through guilt-by-association to the ones on the rabid right?
Hey, I criticize everyone.
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I wouldn't label you as hardcore, Evo. (hmm..that gave unintended associations).

After all, you were not the one making a specious argument in the wind farm thread just in order to rush into defense of Obama, quite the opposite, you called the scam "sickening".

So, my comment about "hardcore supporters" wasn't aimed at you at all.
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I'd argue the pope has done FAR more harm to the world than the Saudi king, but that's going off topic.
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Quote Quote by lisab View Post
Got a source for this?
You didn't hear anything about this?

Oh, wait... there's no way ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc, would report it.

I'm sure you've heard of the Ground Zero Mosque. The most prominent person involved in that (Imam Rauf) has called for Sharia in the United States. He's hardly a "non-noteworthy" person with all the attention he's gotten.
Edit: Removed link to inappropriate site.

There's been others, but you get the point.

And I should have clarified: It isn't the majority of the left that's saying we should impose Sharia Law. What I meant was, when a call is made for Sharia Law to be allowed in a community or certain segment of the population, it is the Left that is most commonly heard saying "I'm ok with that".
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Quote Quote by Barwick View Post
You didn't hear anything about this?

Oh, wait... there's no way ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc, would report it.

I'm sure you've heard of the Ground Zero Mosque. The most prominent person involved in that (Imam Rauf) has called for Sharia in the United States. He's hardly a "non-noteworthy" person with all the attention he's gotten.

Edit: Removed link to inappropriate site

There's been others, but you get the point.

And I should have clarified: It isn't the majority of the left that's saying we should impose Sharia Law. What I meant was, when a call is made for Sharia Law to be allowed in a community or certain segment of the population, it is the Left that is most commonly heard saying "I'm ok with that".
Why didn't you just call it the "Victory Mosque" and avoid the pussyfooting? Muslims are free to worship in all kinds of places, including the Pentagon, the site of one of the 9/11 attacks. What is wrong with allowing religious freedom?
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Quote Quote by Barwick View Post
You didn't hear anything about this?

Oh, wait... there's no way ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc, would report it.

I'm sure you've heard of the Ground Zero Mosque. The most prominent person involved in that (Imam Rauf) has called for Sharia in the United States. He's hardly a "non-noteworthy" person with all the attention he's gotten.Edit: Removed link to inappropriate site


There's been others, but you get the point.

And I should have clarified: It isn't the majority of the left that's saying we should impose Sharia Law. What I meant was, when a call is made for Sharia Law to be allowed in a community or certain segment of the population, it is the Left that is most commonly heard saying "I'm ok with that".
That's a right-wingnut site, complete with an Ann Coulter banner - total BS.

I bet you can't find a *legitimate* source of someone - anyone - in America who is "ok" with implementing Sharia law in the United States.
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That's a right-wingnut site, complete with an Ann Coulter banner - total BS.

I bet you can't find a *legitimate* source of someone - anyone - in America who is "ok" with implementing Sharia law in the United States.
They are quoting the Imam's own book. Is that a right-wing nut site?

*crickets*... *chirp*...
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Quote Quote by Barwick View Post
They are quoting the Imam's own book. Is that a right-wing nut site?

*crickets*... *chirp*...
You originally said there are "those on the left" calling for Sharia law in the United States. You did not back that up, instead you posted some dumb-@ss right wing blog - not a reputable source - that the mosque is a so-called 'victory mosque':

I also think it's close to the nature of what it is to open a mosque. It opens up a seat of government. When a mosque is open, there's a claim of territory. When you open a mosque it establishes Islamic law within the purview of the mosque. There is a history of Islam putting up mosques that are associated with claims of victory.
The site you linked is full of lots of that kind of crap, like this:

He (the Imam) seems to suggest (Sharia) should replace the U.S. Constitution.
Bolding mine. "Seems to suggest"? Really? That counts as a legit source? Again, I'm calling it BS. I know you really, really want to believe what you wrote - see "truthiness".

The crickets you hear are an echo.
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The zaniness you find at the bottom of an internet article is hardly limited to rumors about Obama. People think the Federal Reserve System intentionally crashed the world financial markets so that JP Morgan Chase could gobble up debt-riddled competitors, for Christ's sake. The internet naturally gives voice to every single whack job you would have never known existed before its advent.
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You originally said there are "those on the left" calling for Sharia law in the United States. You did not back that up, instead you posted some dumb-@ss right wing blog - not a reputable source - that the mosque is a so-called 'victory mosque':
No I didn't, go back and read the post... I said those on the left were sympathetic to the calls for Sharia Law:

Quote Quote by Barwick View Post
And I should have clarified: It isn't the majority of the left that's saying we should impose Sharia Law. What I meant was, when a call is made for Sharia Law to be allowed in a community or certain segment of the population, it is the Left that is most commonly heard saying "I'm ok with that".
Now, do I go around calling MSNBC, CNN, CBS, etc all "dumb-@ss socialist propaganda machines"? No. Though that's what they are, I judge the stories on each site on an individual basis.
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Now, do I go around calling MSNBC, CNN, CBS, etc all "dumb-@ss socialist propaganda machines"? No. Though that's what they are, I judge the stories on each site on an individual basis.
What you think they are is irrelevant. For the purpose of sourcing claims on this forum, citations to original sources are required whenever possible. A blog may be acceptable if it is directly quoting a primary source, but not if it is providing its own interpretation and commentary.
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No I didn't, go back and read the post... I said those on the left were sympathetic to the calls for Sharia Law:
So, back that up with a mainstream acceptable source, not someone's personal opinion. It's against forum rules to state opinion as fact.
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So, back that up with a mainstream acceptable source, not someone's personal opinion. It's against forum rules to state opinion as fact.
What do you want? Transcripts from meetings? What "major, mainstream" media outlet is going to report on something so small and seemingly insignificant to most Americans?


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