Bogus Claim - Obama wants to implement Sharia Law

How many posts does it take to unveil the obvious? :)

It appears to me that Ivan is saying that the crackpot cited in the OP is a mainstream Republican for the purpose of claiming that a high fraction of mainstream Republicans are crackpots. Perhaps that's the purpose of this thread?

That's a blog-with-an adgenda, which is an unacceptable source for PF....and a quick read shows it also uses the same straw-man as you did in the OP: The title doesn't match the content they are using the title to criticize.
Hey, you found a couple of random crackpots on the internet! Congratulations! But still unacceptable sources, even for the purpose of debunking. A news source that should know better than to use such a deceptive title. It implies that the poll asked and people responded that Obama wants to impliment Sharia law here in the US, which isn't true. What is actually in the poll is only tangentially related to the crackpot claim in the OP.

Perhaps it was an unintentional and unfortunate truncation, but I'm not sympathetic to such things.

What could that possible have to do with anything? What is the point of the thread, anyway?

Are you interested in debating whether or not the U.S. should implement Sharia law? Whether your friend is an idiot? Whether Obama is a Muslim? What Glenn Beck's motives are?

This thread seems like an obvious candidate for being locked for extreme nonsensical purposelessness in the third degree.

Got a source for this?

Why are we discussing what some random radio show call in guest said? does this meet our quality guidlines?

Am I reading right: you heard a call-in guest say something provocative so you googled and found something somewhat similar that Beck said so you posted it?

Context: The article you cited in the OP is from March 2009. Beck (along with others; this was apparently a short-lived wacko right meme) slung some conjured mud back that failed to stick to the target because the mud 100% pure fabricated mud.

Context: It's Glen Beck, for crying out loud.

This is clearly pure falsehood; why are we justifying this with a thread?

When Ivan asked me to reconsider, I stepped back to look at it from the perspective of all of the crackpot claims being circulated on the internet about Obama.

I read a lot of news blurbs on yahoo (to keep up with what might be posted in the lounge) and the comments about Obama at the bottom of any article are just insane to the point that it makes me cringe. So, I do see the usefullness of a thread addressing this type of nuttiness.

Ivan, perhaps delete this thread and start over with a thread about the growing trend of rumor mongering about Obama? It has become somewhat of a disturbing phenomena.

And how to illustrate the insanity? None of the really disturbing crap is posted on sites that meet PF guidelines, and can't be linked to without risking trouble here. There is some truly insane stuff being flung around out there. The sad part is that some gullible people will believe it and repeat it.

Consider for a moment the long and growing list of patently false and utterly irrational claims (especially about President Obama and his administration):

The abjectly crazy "birther" and "Obama-is-a-Muslim" movements,

The allegations about health care reform "death panels,"

Last year's absurd claims that, by addressing American schoolchildren, Obama was trying to "indoctrinate" them and spread a "socialist" ideology,

The myth that the Obama administration was "coming to get" the guns of law abiding citizens,

The claims that plans to expand the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps were part of an effort create a "civilian national security force" and to herd young people into "re-education" camps.

The claim that Obama was launching a nefarious plot to mandate circumcision!

It would be one thing if these moronic assertions were merely the flotsam and jetsam of the blogosphere - wacky urban myths that occasionally "go viral" on the Internet at the hands of spammers and other troubled souls who spend too much staring at computer screens. It's quite another, however, when these claims are repeated as fact by supposedly serious politicians affiliated with supposedly responsible political parties.

Has Obama ever criticized sharia for being the evil system of law it happens to be?

Or has he, rather, been fervent in praising islamic culture&traditions, even bowing his head to one of the very worst dictators on the planet, namely the king of SA?

But it's one thing to criticize an action that you don't approve of and completely another to believe wild myths. One is acceptable and understandable, the other is ignorance or worse.

Bush bowed down and kissed the Pope's ring, but there was no flack over that.

Bush walked holding hands with Middle Eastern leaders. That happens to be an acceptable custom there and Bush decided to follow their traditions.

Correct.
But why is it that hardcore Obama supporters dismisses all valid criticism of him through guilt-by-association to the ones on the rabid right?

Got a source for this?

You didn't hear anything about this?

Oh, wait... there's no way ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc, would report it.

I'm sure you've heard of the Ground Zero Mosque. The most prominent person involved in that (Imam Rauf) has called for Sharia in the United States. He's hardly a "non-noteworthy" person with all the attention he's gotten.

Edit: Removed link to inappropriate site

There's been others, but you get the point.

And I should have clarified: It isn't the majority of the left that's saying we should impose Sharia Law. What I meant was, when a call is made for Sharia Law to be allowed in a community or certain segment of the population, it is the Left that is most commonly heard saying "I'm ok with that".

You didn't hear anything about this?

Oh, wait... there's no way ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc, would report it.

I'm sure you've heard of the Ground Zero Mosque. The most prominent person involved in that (Imam Rauf) has called for Sharia in the United States. He's hardly a "non-noteworthy" person with all the attention he's gotten.Edit: Removed link to inappropriate site


There's been others, but you get the point.

And I should have clarified: It isn't the majority of the left that's saying we should impose Sharia Law. What I meant was, when a call is made for Sharia Law to be allowed in a community or certain segment of the population, it is the Left that is most commonly heard saying "I'm ok with that".

That's a right-wingnut site, complete with an Ann Coulter banner - total BS.

I bet you can't find a *legitimate* source of someone - anyone - in America who is "ok" with implementing Sharia law in the United States.

They are quoting the Imam's own book. Is that a right-wing nut site?

*crickets*... *chirp*...

I also think it's close to the nature of what it is to open a mosque. It opens up a seat of government. When a mosque is open, there's a claim of territory. When you open a mosque it establishes Islamic law within the purview of the mosque. There is a history of Islam putting up mosques that are associated with claims of victory.

He (the Imam) seems to suggest (Sharia) should replace the U.S. Constitution.

You originally said there are "those on the left" calling for Sharia law in the United States. You did not back that up, instead you posted some dumb-@ss right wing blog - not a reputable source - that the mosque is a so-called 'victory mosque':

And I should have clarified: It isn't the majority of the left that's saying we should impose Sharia Law. What I meant was, when a call is made for Sharia Law to be allowed in a community or certain segment of the population, it is the Left that is most commonly heard saying "I'm ok with that".

Now, do I go around calling MSNBC, CNN, CBS, etc all "dumb-@ss socialist propaganda machines"? No. Though that's what they are, I judge the stories on each site on an individual basis.