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Whats the difference between progressive wave and stationary waves ? |
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| Jul16-11, 05:27 PM | #18 |
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Whats the difference between progressive wave and stationary waves ?
You get standing waves in signal lines and in some designs of RF filters. They are a real embarrassment in the lines between transmitters and antennae where then can introduce excessively high volts (High Voltage Standing Wave Ratio / VSWR).
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| Jul16-11, 05:32 PM | #19 |
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An electromagnetic wave is transverse but that doesn't mean anything is "jumbling" up and down. It's called transverse because the varying electric and magnetic fields are at right angles (transverse) to the direction that the wave is travelling. We call it a "traditional wave" because the same maths apply to em and all other, more tangible, waves. |
| Jul16-11, 05:35 PM | #20 |
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Thank you. That answers my question.
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| Jul16-11, 05:37 PM | #21 |
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No probs.
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| Jul16-11, 07:46 PM | #22 |
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If you have a 73 ohm line, and attach it to a 73 ohm antenna, do standing waves form in the line? In the antenna? |
| Jul17-11, 03:40 AM | #23 |
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A wire dipole, fed at the centre, will present a load of 73ohms at just one frequency. (At which the dipole is an exact half wave long. All the energy is radiated into free space so this 'looks like' a pure resistance. Any practical antenna needs to radiate a range of frequencies (bandwidth) so it cannot be perfectly 'matched' to free space. A very short dipole will appear as a small Capacitance in series with a tiny resistance; that is almost an open circuit. A very long dipole can look like anything from a near open circuit to a near short circuit.
An antenna feeder will always have standing waves in it but these may be reduced by 'matching networks' at the antenna feed point. |
| Jul17-11, 06:03 PM | #24 |
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Also, could you model a short dipole as a transmission line terminated in a circuit consisting of a resistor in series with a capacitor, with the resistance of resistor equal to radiation resistance and not line resistance? |
| Jul18-11, 02:16 AM | #25 |
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You can look up the exact impedance by I would say the input would be like about 30ohm resistance in series with several tens of ohms of capacitative reactance. The radiation resistance goes down and the capacitance goes down as the dipole gets shorter.
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| Jul18-11, 03:02 AM | #26 |
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Electricity is such a well joined up topic, in the way that radiated energy 'appears' as a resistance.
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| Jul19-11, 10:32 AM | #27 |
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thanz. and i have got one more question.
why does transverse wave only travels in solid medium? and longitudinal wave in solid, liquid and gas? my physics teacher said something about shear strain and its relation to these waves but i did not get him quite right. please can anyone help ? |
| Jul19-11, 10:38 AM | #28 |
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if you wave your arm from side to side in a fluid, the fluid in front will not be moved. If you push your hand forward, the fluid in front can be made to move. A side to side motion will not propagate because there is no way a force can be transmitted. It's only through a difference in pressure (i.e. a longitudinal displacement) that a wave can be made to propagate. In a solid, however (and on a string) you can actually transmit a force due to a shear force.
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| Jul21-11, 09:22 AM | #29 |
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However, it is quite possible that waving your arm up and down in a fluid could produce a propagating wave! ;)
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| Jul21-11, 10:40 AM | #30 |
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But, at a distance, the only wave to propagate would be longitudinal.
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| Jul21-11, 11:21 AM | #31 |
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Would a gravity wave be longitudinal? (I was careful to say up and down!)
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| Jul21-11, 11:23 AM | #32 |
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I guess it would have to be - as there isn't a negative gravitational field.
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| Jul21-11, 11:25 AM | #33 |
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| Jul21-11, 11:28 AM | #34 |
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Surface waves are a combination of both longitudinal and transverse. The particles on a water wave actually go in circles (see cans and gulls floating on waves at the seaside). Look at a plethora of google hits on water waves for some pretty animations.
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