What is the ratio of oxygen in the atmosphere at different heights?

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The discussion focuses on the ratio of oxygen in the atmosphere at different heights, particularly at sea level and the top of Mount Everest. It highlights that while the theoretical calculations suggest a change in the ratio due to varying molecular weights of oxygen and nitrogen, the actual atmospheric composition remains approximately 80% nitrogen and 20% oxygen even at high altitudes. Participants emphasize the importance of recognizing that the troposphere is well-mixed, which prevents significant changes in gas composition with altitude. The calculations provided lead to a formula for the ratio of oxygen density to nitrogen density, but the real-world application shows minimal variation in composition at extreme heights. Ultimately, the discussion underscores the difference between theoretical models and actual atmospheric behavior.
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Homework Statement


Air at sealevel is composed of 80% nitrogen and 20% oxygen, but at the top of Mount Everest the composition of air is different. Give an expression for the ratio (f_O) of oxygen in the air as a function of height z above sealevel, assuming the temperature T is constant and the air is an ideal gas. The gravitational acceleration is g and the mass of a molecule of nitrogen is m_N and the mass of a molecule of oxygen is m_O.

The Attempt at a Solution



The potential energy of a molecule of oxygen is m_O g z, so the probability of finding it at height z is: P_{mO}(z) \propto e^{-\frac{m_O g z}{k_B T}}. Similarly for nitrogen: P_{mN}(z) \propto e^{-\frac{m_N g z}{k_B T}}. So the ratio is simply f_O = \frac{e^{-\frac{m_O g z}{k_B T}}}{e^{-\frac{m_N g z}{k_B T}}} = e^{-\frac{(m_O - m_N)gz}{k_B T}}?
 
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SoggyBottoms said:
Air at sealevel is composed of 80% nitrogen and 20% oxygen, but at the top of Mount Everest the composition of air is different.
No, it isn't. The troposphere is well mixed. That's why it's called the troposphere. Is this a problem from a physics text, or one that your teacher made up?

I'll ignore this minor problem.

The potential energy of a molecule of oxygen is m_O g z, so the probability of finding it at height z is: P_{mO}(z) \propto e^{-\frac{m_O g z}{k_B T}}. Similarly for nitrogen: P_{mN}(z) \propto e^{-\frac{m_N g z}{k_B T}}. So the ratio is simply f_O = \frac{e^{-\frac{m_O g z}{k_B T}}}{e^{-\frac{m_N g z}{k_B T}}} = e^{-\frac{(m_O - m_N)gz}{k_B T}}?
That gives a ratio of one at sea level.

Hint: Assume each gas is individually in hydrostatic equilibrium.
 
Just a question my teacher came up with.

The hydrostatic equation is dp = -\rho g dz with dp = k_B T dn and \rho = nm:

\frac{dn}{n} = -\frac{m_O g}{k_B T}dz, \Leftrightarrow \\<br /> \ln{\frac{n}{n_0}} = -\frac{m_O g }{k_B T}z \Leftrightarrow \\<br /> n = n(0) e^{-\frac{m_O g }{k_B T}z}

If I do the same thing for nitrogen and divide again I get the same answer, so I'm not sure what to do...
 
Anyone?
 
SoggyBottoms said:
Just a question my teacher came up with.

The hydrostatic equation is dp = -\rho g dz with dp = k_B T dn and \rho = nm:

\frac{dn}{n} = -\frac{m_O g}{k_B T}dz, \Leftrightarrow \\<br /> \ln{\frac{n}{n_0}} = -\frac{m_O g }{k_B T}z \Leftrightarrow \\<br /> n = n(0) e^{-\frac{m_O g }{k_B T}z}
Correct.

If I do the same thing for nitrogen and divide again I get the same answer, so I'm not sure what to do...
You do not get the same answer. Oxygen and nitrogen have different molar masses.

Try computing nO(z)/ nN(z), the ratio of the oxygen density to nitrogen density. What does that tell you?
 
Since n_n = n(0) e^{-\frac{m_N g }{k_B T}z} I get \frac{n_O}{n_N} = \frac{n_0 e^{-\frac{m_O g }{k_B T}z}}{n_0 e^{-\frac{m_N g }{k_B T}z}} = e^{-\frac{(m_O - m_N) g }{k_B T}z}...or am I missing something? Because that's the same thing I got in my original post.
 
You are assuming that oxygen and nitrogen have the same density at sea level (i.e., the same n0. They obviously don't since the the atmosphere at sea level is 80% nitrogen, 20% oxygen.
 
You're right, so I should get \frac{0.8}{0.2}e^{-\frac{(m_O - m_N)g}{k_B T}z} = 4 e^{-\frac{(m_O - m_N)g}{k_B T}z}.
 
Correct. So now it's just a matter of plugging in the numbers with z=height of Everest and then converting the resulting nitrogen:oxygen ratio to the percentage of the air at the top of Everest that is oxygen.

The result will be wrong (wrong in reality that is; the result will be correct for this homework problem). The makeup is still more or less 80%/20% ratio at the top of Everest. The troposphere is just too well-mixed for any disparities to show up. The upper reaches of the atmosphere (above the stratosphere) do exhibit this differentiation.
 
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