Solving Escape Velocity of the Sun: Troubleshooting an Error

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting the calculation of the escape velocity of the Sun using the escape velocity formula. Participants explore the application of gravitational constants and the correct units for radius in their calculations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in obtaining the correct escape velocity of the Sun and suspects an error with the gravitational constant or the radius used in the formula.
  • Another participant provides an approximation method to calculate the escape velocity, suggesting that using more precise values would yield a result close to 617.54 km/s.
  • Questions arise regarding the breakdown of the escape velocity formula into two factors and the reasoning behind multiplying by 4 instead of 2.
  • A participant points out that the gravitational constant used was in MKS units, while the radius of the Sun was mistakenly input in kilometers instead of meters.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the mathematical manipulation of the formula, specifically the use of square roots and the origin of the factor of 4 in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific errors made in the calculations, and multiple viewpoints on the correct approach and reasoning remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about the units of measurement and the values used for constants, which may affect the calculations presented.

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I can't seem to obtain the right answer using the escape velocity formula. I think my problem is with the gravitational constant. I would like to find the escape velocity of the sun.

[tex]v_e=\sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}}[/tex] or [tex]v_e=\sqrt{\frac{2\mu}{r}}[/tex]

[tex]v_e_\odot=617.54(km/s)[/tex]

[tex]v_e_\odot=\sqrt{\frac{2*6.673e-11*1.9891e30(kg)}{696000(km)}}[/tex]

[tex]v_e_\odot=\sqrt{~3.8141e14}\neq 617.54(km/s)[/tex]

What am I doing wrong?
Thanks
 
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Okay,i'll make some approximations,but i'll get the result and the order of magnitude.
[tex]v_{esc.,Sun}\sim\sqrt{\frac{4\cdot6.673}{696}}\sqrt{\frac{10^{30}10^{-11}}{10^{6}}}\frac{m}{s}\sim \sqrt{0.0383}\sqrt{10}\cdot 10^{6} \frac{m}{s}\sim 619278\frac{m}{s}\sim 619.3\frac{Km}{s}[/tex]

Using more precise values for radius ad Sun's mass will give about [itex]617.54\frac{Km}{s}[/itex].

Daniel.

PS.I don't know how u got that figure under the radical.
 
Thnx. I see what youve done but don't understand why. How come you broke it down to 2 factors:

[tex]v_{esc.,Sun}\sim\sqrt{\frac{4\cdot6.673}{696}}\sqrt{\frac{10^{30}10^{-11}}{10^{6}}}\frac{m}{s}[/tex]

And how come you multiplied by 4 instead of 2?
Thnx
 
Here's the easy way to calculate it using google calculator

The mistake in your calculation is that the value of G you use is in MKS units
G = 6.67300 × 10^-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2

and you put in the radius of the sun in km, not meters.
 
DB said:
Thnx. I see what youve done but don't understand why. How come you broke it down to 2 factors:

[tex]v_{esc.,Sun}\sim\sqrt{\frac{4\cdot6.673}{696}}\sqrt{\frac{10^{30}10^{-11}}{10^{6}}}\frac{m}{s}[/tex]

And how come you multiplied by 4 instead of 2?
Thnx

Since
[tex]\sqrt{ab}=\sqrt{a}\sqrt{b}[/tex]
,i could break it into 2 square roots,putting the powers of 10 aside.
That '4' appears from the product between 2 (initially in the formula) and 2 (from the Sun's mass).

Daniel.
 
Ahh, ok 1.9891
 

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