What are the steps to prove 2^n < n! using induction?

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality 2^n < n! for n ≥ 4 using mathematical induction. Participants are seeking guidance on the steps involved in the inductive proof, particularly after establishing the base case.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Josh, expresses uncertainty about how to proceed after the inductive hypothesis, having established the base case for n = 4.
  • Another participant suggests starting from the assumption n! > 2^n and aims to derive (n+1)! > 2^{n+1} as a straightforward step.
  • A different participant acknowledges the need for a proper first step in the proof and seeks clarity on how to transition from the inductive hypothesis to the next step.
  • One participant outlines a potential approach, emphasizing the importance of confirming the legitimacy of multiplying both sides of the inequality by (n+1) while preserving the inequality.
  • A later reply mentions a resource, inductiveproofs.com, as a helpful guide for writing inductive proofs.

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Participants generally agree on the need to establish the inductive hypothesis and the base case. However, there is no consensus on the specific steps to take next, as participants express differing levels of understanding and approaches to the proof.

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Some participants note the importance of ensuring that multiplying by (n+1) is valid in preserving the inequality, indicating a potential area of uncertainty in the proof process.

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I'm to prove that for n>=4, 2^n < n! holds, but I don't know where to go after the inductive hypothesis that it holds for n>= 4 after showing it works for the base case (n = 4). Here are my steps so far:

2^(n+1) < (n+1)!
2*(2^n) < (n+1)(n!)

but I dont' know where to now! help is much appreciated, thanks.
Josh
 
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Start with:
1. n \geq 4
2. n! &gt; 2^n
and try to get to
(n+1)! &gt; 2^{n+1}

It shoud be pretty straightforward.
 
I understand that I'm supposed to get there, but I don't see the *proper* first step to take, as the things I have tried haven't gotten me there.
 
Well, for induction, you usually end up proving the n=1 (or in this case n=4) case first. You've got that done.

Then you need to identify your indictive hypothesis:
e.g.
n!&gt;2^n
and
n &gt; 4

In class the proof might look something like this:
(n+1)!=n! (n+1)
from the inductive hypothesis we have
n! (n+1) &gt; 2^n (n+1)
since n&gt;1 we have
2^n(n+1) &gt; 2^n(2)
and
2^n(2) = 2^{n+1}
Now, we can string it all togther to get the inequality:
(n+1)!=n! (n+1) &gt; 2^n(n+1) &gt; 2^n(2) =2^{n+1}
(n+1)! &gt; 2^{n+1}

In general, it's worth trying to figure out wether it 'safe'
to multiply
n!&gt;2^n
by
n+1 &gt; 2
while preserving the inequality.
Which is really what I wanted to do in my head. As soon as you are sure it is legitemate, you're done.
 
I saw a great walkthrough of this proof on inductiveproofs.com. It's an e course about how to write inductive proofs. Very helpful!
 

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