A spring being compressed between two masses

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving conservation of energy and the use of different equations to solve it. The correct answer uses mg = kx, but the initial attempt used 2mg = kD. The concept of equilibrium is also mentioned, but it does not determine the relationship between gravitational and elastic potential energies. The conversation concludes by addressing the assumption that the mass is placed on the uncompressed spring and then released, leading to incorrect results.
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Homework Statement
The two blocks I and II shown above have masses m and 2m respectively. Block II has an ideal massless
spring attached to one side. When block I is placed on the spring as shown. the spring is compressed a distance
D at equilibrium. Express your answer to all parts of the question in terms of the given quantities and physical
constants.

a. Determine the spring constant of the spring
Relevant Equations
kx=mg

mgh=1/2kx^2
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i attempted this problem by using conservation of energy,
mgh=1/2kx^2
mgD=1/2kD^2
2mg=kD
k=2mg/D

why is it wrong ? btw the correct answer used mg = kx which is mg/D
 
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The term equilibrium means there's no net force on the mass. The condition of equilibrium doesn't really say anything about the relationship between the gravitational and elastic potential energies.

For this specific problem, you seem to be assuming the mass is placed on the uncompressed spring and then released, and when it has fallen to the equilibrium point, the initial gravitational potential energy has been turned into elastic potential energy and the mass is at rest. In reality, you'd find the mass is still moving.
 
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Thank you! That's quite helpful.
 

1. What is a spring being compressed between two masses?

A spring being compressed between two masses refers to a situation where a spring is placed between two objects or masses, and the spring is compressed due to the weight of the objects. This can also happen when an external force is applied to the objects, causing them to compress the spring.

2. How does the compression of the spring affect the masses?

The compression of the spring affects the masses by exerting a force on them. When the spring is compressed, it stores potential energy which is then transferred to the masses when the spring is released. This can cause the masses to move or accelerate depending on the amount of force and the mass of the objects.

3. What factors affect the compression of the spring?

The factors that affect the compression of the spring include the force applied to the objects, the stiffness of the spring (measured by its spring constant), and the mass of the objects. The more force applied or the stiffer the spring, the more the spring will compress. Additionally, the heavier the masses, the more they will compress the spring.

4. What is the relationship between the compression of the spring and the force applied?

The relationship between the compression of the spring and the force applied is directly proportional. This means that as the force applied increases, the compression of the spring also increases. This relationship is described by Hooke's Law, which states that the force exerted by a spring is directly proportional to the amount it is stretched or compressed.

5. How is the compression of the spring calculated?

The compression of the spring can be calculated using the formula F = kx, where F is the force applied, k is the spring constant, and x is the displacement or compression of the spring. This formula can be rearranged to solve for x, giving the compression of the spring in meters (or other appropriate units).

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