Adding subluminal and superluminal velocities.

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In summary, we have discussed a scenario where a row of rods with synchronized clocks and solenoids creates a wave moving at 1.5 c in the rest frame of the apparatus. However, when viewed from a spaceship traveling in the opposite direction at 0.5 c, the observed wave velocity is 1.14 c. This result may seem counterintuitive, but it is not incorrect and the formula for adding relativistic velocities still applies. It is also possible for the wave to have an "infinite speed" if all rods move at the same time. The Lorentz transform plays a role in changing the slopes of lines in this scenario.
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Suppose we have a long row of rods, each of which is equipped with a clock and a solenoid which can raise and lower the rod. All the clocks are synchronized. Each rod is programed to raise and lower at a slightly different time so that in the rest frame of the apparatus the rods rise and fall in a wave that moves at 1.5 c. What you would actually see from the midpoint of the row would be the wave moving away from you in both directions at different speeds, but after accounting for the travel time of the light you would realize that what you saw was a single wave traveling past you at 1.5 c.

Now suppose a spaceship travels along the row of rods at 0.5 c in the opposite direction of the wave. The ship observes the wave, accounts for the travel time of the light in its own frame of reference, and calculates the speed of the wave. Using the formula for the addition of relativistic velocities I get that it should observe a speed of 1.14 c.

So the ship moving in the opposite direction of the wave observes a lower wave velocity then the observer standing still?

I then computed the relative velocity of the wave for a ship moving in the same direction at 0.5 c and came up with a result of 4 c.

This seems completely counterintuitive. Is this just one of those counterintuitive results of SR or am I applying the formula incorrectly? Does the formula for adding relativistic velocities not apply to superluminal velocities?
 
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It is counter-intuitive, but it is not wrong. With the right speed in the direction of the wave, the wave will even get an "infinite speed" (all rods move at the same time) - and if you increase the speed of the spaceship, the wave will go in the opposite direction.

I guess (but I did not check) that the velocity addition formula still works.
 
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If you visualise how the Lorentz transform changes the slopes of lines, if a speed lower than c is increasing towards c, then a speed faster than c is decreasing towards c.

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Image credit: Jonathan Doolin, Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 2.5
 
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What is the difference between subluminal and superluminal velocities?

Subluminal velocities refer to speeds that are slower than the speed of light, while superluminal velocities refer to speeds that are faster than the speed of light.

Is it possible to add subluminal and superluminal velocities together?

No, it is not possible to add subluminal and superluminal velocities together. According to the theory of relativity, the speed of light is the maximum speed that any object in the universe can travel at. Therefore, it is not possible for an object to travel at both subluminal and superluminal speeds simultaneously.

What happens when an object travels at superluminal speeds?

According to the theory of relativity, as an object approaches the speed of light, its mass increases and time slows down. This means that it would require an infinite amount of energy to accelerate an object to the speed of light. Therefore, it is not possible for an object to travel at superluminal speeds.

Can anything travel faster than the speed of light?

Based on our current understanding of physics, it is not possible for anything to travel faster than the speed of light. The speed of light is considered to be a fundamental constant in the universe, and there is no evidence to suggest that it can be exceeded.

How does the concept of adding velocities apply to objects in the universe?

The concept of adding velocities only applies to objects that are moving in the same direction. In other words, if two objects are moving in the same direction, their velocities can be added together. However, if two objects are moving in opposite directions, their velocities must be subtracted from each other. This applies to both subluminal and superluminal velocities.

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