Can EM Waves Levitate Objects in a Transparent Plasma?

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of using plasma, specifically electromagnetic waves, to levitate objects in a similar manner to how sound waves were used in a video. There is also a mention of research on plasma confinement and transport in the fusion community. The limitations and complications of using plasma to levitate objects due to the repelling nature of electrons are also mentioned.
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Crazymechanic
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Hi, recently I saw a great video about some scientists levitating small objects in mid air by trapping them in overlapping 180 degrees out of phase sine waveforms.
It is easy to see that air is the medium through which sound can travel and sounditself being the vibration of air traps these objects placed at the way of these waves.
just to be sure everyone gets my idea here , here is the video about the sound.



So could such principle be used if I had plasma as a medium, like in a chamber of plasma and I wanted to float an object or some charges like electrons in the middle of it , assuming electrons becauce they are lighter than ions, protons and would probably respond for such external manipulation.
I read that the plasma has it's specific frequency under which it acts like a typical conductor and reflects the em wave and above which the em wave can penetrate the plasma, I assume this boundary is different for different plasmas depending on the density of the plasma and temperature am I correct here ?

So if I would have my plasma of whatever shape and I wanted to float an object inside of it , could I use the em waves at and above the specific frequency to achieve something similar to this in what they achieved with audio waves?
I am asking this from a theoretical standpoint , so doesn't matter if objects cannot be in a plasma because of the heat and other factors don't play a role here.
 
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A similar effect (albeit on a smaller scale) can be achieved using laser light - commonly referred to as "optical molasses".

Claude.
 
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It's a bit weird to talk about levitating ions and electrons using a plasma because a plasma is made of ions and electrons. It's pretty hopeless to try to track individual electrons or ions, so it doesn't make sense to talk about levitating specific electrons. But, it is possible to get a localized region of higher ion and/or electron density using plasma waves. There's a lot of research in plasma confinement and transport done by the fusion community.

As far as a macroscopic object, I think it is possible, but I don't know of any examples off hand.

There are many kinds of waves that can propagate through a plasma at different frequencies and wavelengths, depending on the density, temperature, and magnetic field. It's quite complicated.
 
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I appreciatte the replies.
Why using a plasma ? I know plasma consist of ions and electrons but , okay maybe i wasn't clear enough , I was thinking about a method of confining electrons in the middle of a plasma sphere, so I was asking would it be possible using EM waves of certain frequency like the sound waves were used in the video to achieve levitation of objects.

Ofcourse the difference here is that sound uses air as a medium and levitates physical solid objects.
Plasma on the other hand is not solid and the temperatures and kinetic energies of particles involved complicates the matter.

But when we consider em waves traveling inside a plasma we do say that the electrons are the carriers of the induced current just like they are in metals due to their lower mass as compared to the ions, is that correct?

So I wonder , in a Polywell design they try to make a negative potential well in the middle by keeping the electrons there by magnetic fields , stationary ones I assume.
Could electrons be confined in a region by using em waves to sort of levitate them in the middle?
I hope you guys understand the idea I'm telling here. :)
 
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Crazymechanic, there may be one thing you are overlooking when you are asking how to "confining electrons in the middle of a plasma sphere": each electron is negatively charged (as you know), so once you try to confine them they repel. The more you try, the more they resist.
 
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they do repel yes, so the negative potential well is limited by the strength of the magnetic field.
 

1. What are EM waves?

EM waves, or electromagnetic waves, are a type of energy that can travel through space. They are a combination of electric and magnetic fields that oscillate at right angles to each other and to the direction of the wave's travel.

2. What is transparent plasma?

Transparent plasma refers to a state of matter in which the ions and electrons are separated, creating a plasma that allows light to pass through it. This is in contrast to opaque plasma, which does not allow light to pass through.

3. How do EM waves interact with transparent plasma?

EM waves can interact with transparent plasma in several ways. They can be refracted, reflected, or absorbed by the plasma, depending on the properties of the plasma and the characteristics of the EM wave.

4. What are some practical applications of EM waves interacting with transparent plasma?

One practical application is in plasma displays, which use transparent plasma to create images. EM waves are used to excite the plasma and create the desired visual effects. EM waves can also be used in plasma propulsion systems, which use the interaction between the waves and the plasma to generate thrust.

5. Are there any potential dangers associated with EM waves interacting with transparent plasma?

While there are no known dangers specifically related to EM waves interacting with transparent plasma, it is important to note that exposure to high levels of EM radiation can be harmful to human health. However, with proper safety measures and regulations in place, the use of EM waves with transparent plasma can be done safely and effectively.

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