Compute work in Carnot Refrigerator

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electrical energy needed for an ideal refrigerator to remove 3,000 J of energy entering a room due to a temperature difference. The user initially sets Q_h to 3,000 J, believing this represents the energy to be expelled to the outside. However, there is confusion regarding whether Q_h or Q_c should be assigned this value, as both interpretations could yield valid results depending on the context. The efficiency of the refrigerator is calculated, leading to a required work input of approximately 68.82 J to maintain the room's temperature. Clarification on the correct assignment of Q_h and Q_c is sought, emphasizing the need to balance energy flow to prevent room warming.
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Homework Statement


The temperature inside the room ##T_I= 25 C ## and the temperature outside the house is ##T_O = 32C##. The temperature difference causes energy to flow into the room (by conduction through the walls and window glass) at the rate 3,000 J/s. To return this energy to the outside by running an ideal refrigerator, how much electrical energy must be supplied to the refrigerator (to perform the external work)?

Homework Equations


##Q_h=W_{in}+Q_c##, Energy Conservation
##Efficiency = 1 - T_c/T_h=(Q_h-Q_c)/Q_h##

The Attempt at a Solution


My thinking is that we have to put in work so that the refrigerator takes energy from the cold reservoir and dumps 3000 Joules onto the hot reservoir. This leads me to set ##Q_h=3000## and use the efficiency to find ##Q_C## and eventually solve for ##W_{in}##.

##Efficiency = 1 - (298.15K/305.15K) = 0.02264##

##0.02264 = (3000-Q_c)/3000 ⇒ Q_c = 2931.19J##

##W_{in} = 3000J-2931.19J = 68.82J##

Is my approach correct? seems like a small amount of energy needed to dump 3000J back to the outside. Any feedback (or more efficient methods) would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Your approach looks pretty good. However, are you sure that 3000 J should be used for ##Q_h## rather than for ##Q_C##?
 
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TSny said:
Your approach looks pretty good. However, are you sure that 3000 J should be used for ##Q_h## rather than for ##Q_C##?

I chose ##Q_h## because the problem wants me to return 3000 joules of energy to the outside. If I set ##Q_c## to 3000J I would be returning more energy (Including the energy from the work, which wouldn't be wrong i guess since I technically am returning the incoming 3000 joules plus some extra). I guess either way I can't be wrong if the math checks out.
 
Perhaps it's open to interpretation. But, it seems to me you want to keep the room from continually warming up. So, for every 3000 J that enters the room from outside, you need to remove 3000 J from the room. You will then be returning more than 3000 J to the outside. (You will also have to position the refrigerator such that the back of the refrigerator is outside the house while the front of the refrigerator is inside the house with the door of the refrigerator kept open!)
 
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