Can Consecutive Integers Minimize This Mathematical Expression?

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In summary, the conversation is about finding the smallest possible value for the expression 4(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2) - (a+b+c+d)^2 and proving that the answer is correct. One person suggests that the answer is 20 when the integers a, b, c, and d are consecutive, but they are unable to prove it. Another person suggests trying numbers that are 2 or 3 apart to prove the answer.
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Let a, b, c and d be 4 distinct integers. Find the smallest possible value for [tex] 4(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2) - (a+b+c+d)^2 [/tex] and prove that your answer is correct.

I got 20 as the smallest answer. Thats when u have a, b, c, and d as 4 consective integers, but i can't prove my answer. Can anyone help? Thanks :)
 
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Pandaren said:
Let a, b, c and d be 4 distinct integers. Find the smallest possible value for [tex] 4(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2) - (a+b+c+d)^2 [/tex] and prove that your answer is correct.

I got 20 as the smallest answer. Thats when u have a, b, c, and d as 4 consective integers, but i can't prove my answer. Can anyone help? Thanks :)
Without having put a lot of thought in at all, can you not just pick numbers 2 apart e.g. 1, 3, 5 and 7 and then 3 apart and prove it that way?

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To prove that 20 is the smallest possible value for 4(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2) - (a+b+c+d)^2, we can use the fact that the sum of squares of consecutive integers can be expressed as (n)(n+1)(2n+1)/6, where n is the number of consecutive integers.

In this case, we have 4 consecutive integers, so n = 4. Substituting this into the formula, we get (4)(5)(9)/6 = 20.

To prove that this is the smallest possible value, we can use the concept of the arithmetic mean and quadratic mean inequality. The arithmetic mean of a set of numbers is always greater than or equal to the quadratic mean.

In this problem, the arithmetic mean is (a+b+c+d)/4, and the quadratic mean is √[(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2)/4]. Since we are trying to minimize the value of 4(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2) - (a+b+c+d)^2, we want to minimize the quadratic mean, which is √[(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2)/4].

Now, since a, b, c, and d are consecutive integers, we can write them as a = x, b = x+1, c = x+2, and d = x+3. Substituting these values into the quadratic mean, we get √[(x^2 + (x+1)^2 + (x+2)^2 + (x+3)^2)/4] = √[(6x^2 + 24x + 14)/4] = √(3x^2 + 12x + 7).

To minimize this expression, we can take the derivative and set it equal to 0. This gives us 6x + 12 = 0, or x = -2. Substituting this back into the expression, we get √(3(-2)^2 + 12(-2) + 7) = √(12 - 24 + 7) = √(-5) = undefined.

Since the quadratic mean cannot be negative, this means that the minimum value occurs when x = -2, which gives us
 

Related to Can Consecutive Integers Minimize This Mathematical Expression?

1. What is the "consecutive integers problem"?

The consecutive integers problem is a mathematical concept where a set of numbers, also known as integers, are listed in order with each number being one more than the previous number. For example, the consecutive integers starting from 1 would be 1, 2, 3, 4, and so on.

2. How do you solve a consecutive integers problem?

To solve a consecutive integers problem, you first need to identify the given information. Then, you can use algebraic equations to represent the relationship between the numbers and solve for the unknowns.

3. What is the formula for finding the sum of consecutive integers?

The formula for finding the sum of consecutive integers is (n * (n+1))/2, where n represents the number of consecutive integers being added. For example, the sum of the first 5 consecutive integers would be (5 * (5+1))/2 = 15.

4. Can there be negative consecutive integers?

Yes, there can be negative consecutive integers. The concept of consecutive integers simply means that each number is one more than the previous number, regardless of whether they are positive or negative.

5. What real-life situations can be represented by consecutive integers?

Consecutive integers can be used to represent a variety of real-life situations, such as counting the number of days in a week, the number of employees in a company, or the number of floors in a building.

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