Contradiction in the formation of an electric dipole

In summary, the conversation discusses the incorrectness of treating the proton and electron in a hydrogen atom as classical, stationary, non-accelerating, point charges in the presence of an external electric field. A more rigorous quantum mechanical analysis is needed. The problem description raises the issue of the distance between the electron and proton decreasing with a stronger external electric field, contradicting the formation of a dipole. However, the conversation concludes that in the presence of an external electric field, there will be a net attraction of the electron in the opposite direction, forming a dipole moment in the same direction as the external field. The equation of equilibrium provided in the problem description is deemed incorrect due to the need for changes in orbital dynamics to be taken into
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Imagine a hydrogen atom isolated initially. Then a uniform electric field ##E## is turned on at the atom. This pulls electron in one direction pushs proton to the other direction. Forming a dipole as explained in most textbooks. In addition the stronger the external electric field, the greater the separation between electron and proton. However, when examining the set up in details, one can see the balance of the electron or the proton is between two electric forces
$$e E = \frac{ke^2}{d^2}$$
where ##d## is the separation of the electron from the proton. This balance equation predicts the distance must become smaller when external electric field ##E## becomes stronger, contradicting with what most books explain how induced dipoles form. Any suggestion on how to reconcile this? Thanks,
Relevant Equations
$$e E = \frac{ke^2}{d^2}$$
$$d = \sqrt{\frac{ke}{E}} \propto \sqrt{\frac{1}{E}}$$
Solution as stated in the problem description.
 
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Your analysis treats the proton and electron in a hydrogen atom as if they are classical, stationary, non-accelerating, point charges separated by a distance d. This is wrong and leads to totally incorrect results.

If we use the simple Bohr model, the electron moves in a circular orbit (radius d) with a particular angular momentum, so has (centripetal) acceleration which *must* be accounted for.

Thinking classically, the external electric field changes the shape of the orbit so that it becomes an ellipse with its semi-major axis longer than d and the proton at a focus, causing the atom to acquire a dipole moment.

A more rigorous quantum mechanical analysis is needed really, as the idea of point charges moving in definite orbits is wrong.
 
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Homework Statement:: Imagine a hydrogen atom isolated initially. Then a uniform electric field ##E## is turned on at the atom. This pulls electron in one direction pushs proton to the other direction. Forming a dipole as explained in most textbooks. In addition the stronger the external electric field, the greater the separation between electron and proton. However, when examining the set up in details, one can see the balance of the electron or the proton is between two electric forces
$$e E = \frac{ke^2}{d^2}$$
where ##d## is the separation of the electron from the proton. This balance equation predicts the distance must become smaller when external electric field ##E## becomes stronger, contradicting with what most books explain how induced dipoles form. Any suggestion on how to reconcile this? Thanks,
Relevant Equations:: $$e E = \frac{ke^2}{d^2}$$
$$d = \sqrt{\frac{ke}{E}} \propto \sqrt{\frac{1}{E}}$$

Solution as stated in the problem description.

Don't forget that in the absence of an external E field the electron (classically) whizzes around the nucleus, so the coulomb force is offset by the centripetal force.

If an external E field is exerted on the atom, there will be a net attraction of the electron in the direction opposite the external field. The atom (electron & proton) forms a dipole moment in the same direction as that of the external field.

Edit: I edited out the equation of equilibrium since it's most likely wrong.
You'd have to take changes in orbital dynamics into account which I don't want to do.
 
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1. What is an electric dipole?

An electric dipole is a pair of equal and opposite charges that are separated by a small distance. This separation of charges creates an electric field.

2. How is an electric dipole formed?

An electric dipole can be formed by the separation of charges within a neutral object, such as an atom or molecule. This can occur through the rearrangement of electrons or by the application of an external electric field.

3. What is a contradiction in the formation of an electric dipole?

A contradiction in the formation of an electric dipole refers to a situation where the separation of charges does not occur as expected, resulting in an electric dipole that does not follow the typical dipole moment direction or magnitude.

4. What causes a contradiction in the formation of an electric dipole?

A contradiction in the formation of an electric dipole can be caused by factors such as the shape and orientation of the object, the strength and direction of the external electric field, and the presence of other nearby charges.

5. How can a contradiction in the formation of an electric dipole be resolved?

A contradiction in the formation of an electric dipole can be resolved by carefully considering all the factors that may affect the formation of the dipole and by using mathematical models to accurately predict the resulting dipole moment. In some cases, experimental data may also be necessary to fully understand and resolve the contradiction.

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