Could Planck have used different energy-frequency relation?

In summary, Planck's discovery of E=nhf was a result of his attempt to model blackbody radiation and his realization that energy cannot be continuous but must be quantized. This was a key development in the understanding of quantum theory and the failure of classical physics to explain atomic phenomena. Planck's choice of E=nhf was based on his observations and was necessary for his law to accurately describe the behavior of blackbody radiation. Other possible relationships, such as E=hf2, were inconsistent with observations and special relativity, further supporting the need for quantization in energy.
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Hello,

as a non-physicist enthusiast, but with decent math background, I tried to learn a bit about origins of quantum theory and very soon raised some questions, which I hope this community will answer.

So, Planck tried to model the blackbody radiation on where Raighley and Jeans have failed. They assumed that energy radiated from every single oscillating charge is in average kT, as Boltzmann statistic suggests, and is frequency independent. This assumption led to ultraviolet catastrophe - or the ultimate failure of classical physics to explain atomic phenomena. Planck, in despair, tried to see what happens if energy is not frequency independent but proportional to it and in discrete steps as E = nhf, and came up with his law. The rest is history.

Now I'm wondering why did he choose this simple relation, E=nhf? Why did he think it has to be discretized, wouldn't he get the same outcome had he assumed continuous linear dependency? Or polynomial? Or something third? From what I've read, there were no theorethical assumption before that would reasonably justify this "discretezation" assumption...
 
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Discretization is what makes it work.
 
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Why did he think it has to be discretized, wouldn't he get the same outcome had he assumed continuous linear dependency?
The lack of steps is exactly what lead to the ultraviolet catastrophe.

E=hf2 or similar relations for photons would have been possible, but inconsistent with observations. It is also inconsistent with special relativity, but that was developed 5 years later.
 
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1. How did Planck come up with his energy-frequency relation?

Planck's energy-frequency relation, also known as Planck's law, was first proposed in 1900 as a mathematical formula to describe the energy of a photon in terms of its frequency. Planck derived this theory by studying the properties of blackbody radiation.

2. What is the significance of Planck's energy-frequency relation in modern physics?

Planck's energy-frequency relation was a groundbreaking discovery in the field of quantum physics, as it introduced the concept of quantized energy. This relation is still used today in many areas of physics, including quantum mechanics and cosmology.

3. Could Planck have used a different formula to describe the energy-frequency relation?

While it is possible that Planck could have used a different formula, his energy-frequency relation has been proven to accurately describe the behavior of photons and has been validated through numerous experiments and observations.

4. How has Planck's energy-frequency relation been tested and confirmed?

Planck's energy-frequency relation has been tested and confirmed through various experiments, including the photoelectric effect and the Compton effect. Additionally, observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation, which is believed to be a remnant of the Big Bang, also support this relation.

5. Are there any alternative theories to Planck's energy-frequency relation?

While Planck's energy-frequency relation has been widely accepted in the scientific community, there have been some alternative theories proposed, such as the wave-particle duality theory. However, these alternative theories have not yet been able to fully explain the behavior of photons and are still being studied and debated.

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