Deriving Equations of Motion in GR

In summary, the conversation is discussing the Eddington-Robertson-Schiff line element and the associated equations of motion that can be obtained from the least action principle. The problem at hand is that the equations of motion cannot be obtained using the Euler-Lagrange equations, and the participants are discussing different possible Lagrangians and the concept of affine parametrization in relation to finding geodesics.
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Matter_Matters
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Question Background:
I'm considering the Eddington-Robertson-Schiff line element which is given by
[tex] (ds)^2 = \left( 1 - 2 \left(\frac{\mu}{r}\right) + 2 \left(\frac{\mu^2}{r^2}\right) \right) dt^2 - \left( 1 + 2 \left( \frac{\mu}{r} \right) \right) (dr^2 + r^2 d\theta^2 + r^2 \sin^2{\theta} \;d\phi^2 ),[/tex]
where [itex]\mu = GM = \text{const.}[/itex] and [itex] r=|\mathbf{r}|.[/itex]
I'm interested in determining the equations of motion for such a line element which can be obtained from the least action principle. The classical action [itex]S[/itex] is the integral along the particle trajectory
[tex] S = \int ds, [/tex]
which can be equivalently expressed as
[tex] S = \int \left( \frac{ds}{dt} \right) dt \equiv \int L \; dt. [/tex]
We can see from the above that
[tex] L = \left[ \left( 1 - 2 \left(\frac{\mu}{r}\right) + 2 \left(\frac{\mu^2}{r^2}\right) \right) - \left( 1 + 2 \left( \frac{\mu}{r} \right) \right) (\mathbf{\dot{r}} \cdot \mathbf{\dot{r}}) \right]^{1/2}, [/tex]
where [itex]L[/itex] is the associated Lagrangian over time.
Problem and question
The associated equations of motion are given by (Eq. 20)
[tex]\frac{d^2\mathbf{r}}{dt^2} = \frac{\mu}{r^3} \left[ \left(4 \frac{\mu}{r} - v^2 \right) \mathbf{r} + 4 (\mathbf{r}\cdot \mathbf{\dot{r}} ) \mathbf{\dot{r}}\right]. [/tex]
I cannot for the life of me obtain this using the Euler-Lagrange equations.
Attempt at a solution:
The Euler-Lagrange equations are given by
[tex] \frac{d}{dt} \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial \mathbf{\dot{r}}} \right) - \frac{\partial L}{ \partial \mathbf{r}} =0. [/tex]
I note that the equations of motion should be equivalent for either
[tex] L = \sqrt{g_{\mu\nu} \dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}^\mu}, [/tex]
or
[tex] L = g_{\mu\nu} \dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}^\mu. [/tex]
Bearing this in mind and working through the process using
[tex] L = \left[ \left( 1 - 2 \left(\frac{\mu}{r}\right) + 2 \left(\frac{\mu^2}{r^2}\right) \right) - \left( 1 + 2 \left( \frac{\mu}{r} \right) \right) (\mathbf{\dot{r}} \cdot \mathbf{\dot{r}}) \right], [/tex]
I find
[tex] \frac{d}{dt} \left( \frac{\partial L}{ \partial \mathbf{\dot{r}}} \right) = -2 \left[ \left( 1 + 2 \frac{\mu}{r} \mathbf{\ddot{r}} \right) - 2 \frac{\mu}{r^3} (\mathbf{r}\cdot \mathbf{\dot{r}}) \mathbf{\dot{r}} \right], [/tex]
and
[tex] \left( \frac{\partial L }{\partial \mathbf{r}} \right) = 2\frac{\mu}{r^3} \mathbf{r} - 4 \frac{\mu^2}{r^4} \mathbf{r} + 2 \frac{\mu}{r^3} \mathbf{r} (\mathbf{\dot{r}} \cdot \mathbf{\dot{r}} ). [/tex]
Clearly, adding these together does not give the desired result. Any suggestions?
 
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Matter_Matters said:
I note that the equations of motion should be equivalent for either
L=√gμν˙xμ˙xμ,L=gμνx˙μx˙μ,​
L = \sqrt{g_{\mu\nu} \dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}^\mu},
or
L=gμν˙xμ˙xμ.L=gμνx˙μx˙μ.​
L = g_{\mu\nu} \dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}^\mu.
This is only true if the geodesic is parametrised by an affine parameter. The coordinate ##t## is in general not affine.
 
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Orodruin said:
This is only true if the geodesic is parametrised by an affine parameter. The coordinate ##t## is in general not affine.
O wow! If this was the issue the whole time I will be very pleased but also annoyed at my ignorance!
 
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Orodruin said:
This is only true if the geodesic is parametrised by an affine parameter. The coordinate ##t## is in general not affine.
Hmmm I am confused now! So, normally in GR we can set the Lagrangian = ##\pm c## depending on the signature of the line element. Is this only true when the geodesic is parametrised by an affine parameter also? Even using the ## L = \sqrt{ }##, I can't seem to manage to get the correct expression!
 
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Matter_Matters said:
So, normally in GR we can set the Lagrangian = ±c depending on the signature of the line element. Is this only true when the geodesic is parametrised by an affine parameter also?
In general, it will just give you a requirement that gives an affine parametrisation (constant length tangent vector). It tells you nothing about whether or not you found a geodesic.
 

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