Dilating or expanding a closed ball in Riemannian geometry

In summary: The terms "expansion" and "dilation" are not well-defined in this context. Without more context, it is impossible to determine what the OP is asking. In summary, the conversation is discussing the concept of expansion and dilation in relation to Riemannian geometry. The speaker points out that expansion can be defined using set theory and is not affected by geometry. However, the question of dilation remains ambiguous and requires more context to answer accurately.
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Hello. If a closed ball is expanding in time would we say it's expanding or dilating in Riemannian geometry? better saying is I don't know which is which? and what is the function that explains the changes of coordinates of an arbitrary point on the sphere of the ball?
 
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Expansion is a concept that does not even require topology, let alone geometry, to define it. All we need is set theory. An object is expanding if and only if for any two times t1 and t2 such that t1 < t2, the set of points covered by the object at time t2 properly contains the set of points covered by the object at time t1. So the geometry does not affect whether the object is judged to be expanding.
 
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andrewkirk said:
Expansion is a concept that does not even require topology, let alone geometry, to define it. All we need is set theory. An object is expanding if and only if for any two times t1 and t2 such that t1 < t2, the set of points covered by the object at time t2 properly contains the set of points covered by the object at time t1. So the geometry does not affect whether the object is judged to be expanding.

thank you. then what is dilation? when we can use that? if we consider time as the fourth dimension, then can we say expansion in time is a dilation?
 
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Is this off the back of your thread in cosmology? If so, I rather suspect you're still misusing terminology, so the answers you get may well not be to the questions you think you are asking.
 
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andrewkirk said:
Expansion is a concept that does not even require topology, let alone geometry, to define it. All we need is set theory. An object is expanding if and only if for any two times t1 and t2 such that t1 < t2, the set of points covered by the object at time t2 properly contains the set of points covered by the object at time t1. So the geometry does not affect whether the object is judged to be expanding.

Okay, but this was posted under "Differential Geometry", which assumes we are talking about some sort of metric expansion.
 
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PeroK said:
Okay, but this was posted under "Differential Geometry", which assumes we are talking about some sort of metric expansion.
Does it? Metric expansion is typically used in cosmology, but it then refers to a particular family of spatial submanifolds of a Lorentzian manifold. The OP seems to imply talking about Riemannian geometry. To me it just seems as if the OP has not written a well defined question and may think he is asking something but in reality that something is going to be interpreted differently by different people. There is a need of context from OP (ie, I agree with #4).
 
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Orodruin said:
Does it? Metric expansion is typically used in cosmology, but it then refers to a particular family of spatial submanifolds of a Lorentzian manifold. The OP seems to imply talking about Riemannian geometry. To me it just seems as if the OP has not written a well defined question and may think he is asking something but in reality that something is going to be interpreted differently by different people. There is a need of context from OP (ie, I agree with #4).
Cosmology doesn't have a monopoly on the term "metric"! In any case, "ball" or "sphere" are only defined in sets with a metric.
 
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PeroK said:
Cosmology doesn't have a monopoly on the term "metric"! In any case, "ball" or "sphere" are only defined in sets with a metric.
This is not the point. The point is that the question is ambiguous.
 
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1. What is a closed ball in Riemannian geometry?

A closed ball in Riemannian geometry is a set of points that are all within a certain distance (called the radius) from a given center point. In this context, the distance is defined using the Riemannian metric, which is a way of measuring distances on curved surfaces.

2. Why would you want to dilate or expand a closed ball in Riemannian geometry?

Dilating or expanding a closed ball allows us to study the behavior of geometric objects on a larger or smaller scale. It can also help us understand how the geometry of a space changes when we change the scale of measurement.

3. How is the dilation or expansion of a closed ball calculated in Riemannian geometry?

The dilation or expansion of a closed ball is calculated using the Riemannian metric, which assigns a distance to every pair of points in a space. To dilate a closed ball, we multiply the radius of the ball by a constant factor, while to expand a closed ball, we divide the radius by a constant factor.

4. What is the relationship between the dilation or expansion of a closed ball and its curvature?

The dilation or expansion of a closed ball is directly related to the curvature of the space it is embedded in. In general, the larger the curvature of a space, the more the closed ball will expand when dilated and the more it will contract when expanded.

5. How does the dilation or expansion of a closed ball affect the volume and surface area of the ball?

The volume and surface area of a closed ball will change when it is dilated or expanded. In general, the volume of the ball will increase when dilated and decrease when expanded, while the surface area will decrease when dilated and increase when expanded.

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