Distinguishing Riemannian Manifolds by Curvature Relationships

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In summary, two pseudo-Riemannian manifolds with related Riemann curvatures in different coordinate systems may not necessarily have related metrics in those coordinate systems. This is because the curvature tensor does not always uniquely determine the metric, as seen in discussions on this topic. While there may be certain constraints that can ensure a unique metric, the exact conditions are unknown. To determine if the metrics are related, one could check the equation ds^2=g_{\alpha\beta}^Ndx^\alpha dx^\beta=g_{\alpha\beta}^M dy^\alpha dy^\beta.
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Consider two pseudo-Riemmannian manifolds, ##M## and ##N##. Suppose that in coordinates ##y^\mu## on ##M## and ##x^\mu## on ##N##, the Riemann curvatures ##R^M## and ##R^N## of ##M## and ##N## are related by a coordinate transformation ##y = y(x)##:
\begin{equation*}
R^N_{\rho\mu\sigma\nu} = R^M_{\alpha\beta\gamma\lambda}\frac{\partial y^\alpha}{\partial x^\rho}\frac{\partial y^\beta}{\partial x^\mu}\frac{\partial y^\gamma}{\partial x^\sigma}\frac{\partial y^\lambda}{\partial x^\nu}.
\end{equation*}
This is intended to mean that the curvatures are related everywhere by coordinate transformation, although some care may need to be taken with respect to this condition when changing charts in the atlas.

Anyway, if two manifolds have such a relationship everywhere between their curvatures, does that imply that their metrics are related by coordinate transformation:
\begin{equation*}
g^N_{\mu\nu} = g^M_{\alpha\beta}\frac{\partial y^\alpha}{\partial x^\mu}\frac{\partial y^\beta}{\partial x^\nu}?
\end{equation*}
If so or if not, how can you show it? The question is essentially a generalized version of that an everywhere vanishing Riemann curvature implies flatness.
 
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Consider two pseudo-Riemmannian manifolds, ##M## and ##N##. Suppose that in coordinates ##y^\mu## on ##M## and ##x^\mu## on ##N##, the Riemann curvatures ##R^M## and ##R^N## of ##M## and ##N## are related by a coordinate transformation ##y = y(x)##:
\begin{equation*}
R^N_{\rho\mu\sigma\nu} = R^M_{\alpha\beta\gamma\lambda}\frac{\partial y^\alpha}{\partial x^\rho}\frac{\partial y^\beta}{\partial x^\mu}\frac{\partial y^\gamma}{\partial x^\sigma}\frac{\partial y^\lambda}{\partial x^\nu}.
\end{equation*}
This is intended to mean that the curvatures are related everywhere by coordinate transformation, although some care may need to be taken with respect to this condition when changing charts in the atlas.

Anyway, if two manifolds have such a relationship everywhere between their curvatures, does that imply that their metrics are related by coordinate transformation:
\begin{equation*}
g^N_{\mu\nu} = g^M_{\alpha\beta}\frac{\partial y^\alpha}{\partial x^\mu}\frac{\partial y^\beta}{\partial x^\nu}?
\end{equation*}
If so or if not, how can you show it? The question is essentially a generalized version of that an everywhere vanishing Riemann curvature implies flatness.
I don't think that can be the case. If it were, it would imply that the curvature tensor field fully determines the geometry of the manifold, and hence the metric. This is hinted at by the fact that there is a nice formula that expresses the curvature tensor in terms of second derivatives of the metric, but no formula that expresses the metric in terms of the curvature tensor.

Responses to this stack overflow discussion indicate that the curvature tensor field does not always uniquely determine the metric.

I imagine there are some constraints you could put on your manifolds and their curvature fields so that each would determine a unique metric, but I don't know what those constraints are.
 
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tasguitar7 said:
If so or if not, how can you show it?
So. Why do not you check out the relation
[tex]ds^2=g_{\alpha\beta}^Ndx^\alpha dx^\beta=g_{\alpha\beta}^M dy^\alpha dy^\beta[/tex]
?
 

1. What is a Riemannian manifold?

A Riemannian manifold is a mathematical concept used to describe curved spaces. It is a smooth manifold equipped with a metric tensor, which allows for the measurement of distances and angles on the manifold.

2. How are Riemannian manifolds distinguished by curvature relationships?

Riemannian manifolds can be distinguished by their curvature properties, which are determined by the Riemann curvature tensor. This tensor encodes information about the curvature of the manifold at each point, and can be used to compare and contrast different manifolds.

3. What is the Riemann curvature tensor?

The Riemann curvature tensor is a mathematical object that describes the intrinsic curvature of a Riemannian manifold. It is defined in terms of the metric tensor and its derivatives, and encodes information about how the manifold curves and twists at each point.

4. How can curvature relationships be used to distinguish Riemannian manifolds?

By comparing the values of the Riemann curvature tensor at different points on a manifold, we can determine its overall curvature properties. This allows us to distinguish between different manifolds, as they will have distinct curvature relationships.

5. What are some real-world applications of distinguishing Riemannian manifolds by curvature relationships?

Riemannian manifolds and their curvature relationships have various real-world applications, such as in general relativity, where they are used to describe the curvature of spacetime. They also have applications in computer vision, where they can be used to analyze and classify shapes and objects based on their curvature properties.

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