Does the Quantization of Space-Time Imply a Finite Number of Spatial Locations?

In summary, the conversation discusses the implication of quantification of space-time and the possibility of a finite number of spatial locations at any given moment. The idea of using integration versus summing up discrete finite series is also mentioned. It is argued that applying this concept to cardinality arguments in physics may lead to different results and should be checked against common sense thought experiments.
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If space-time itself is quantified, and the spatial universe has, at anyone time, a finite volume, would this not imply that at anyone moment there are a finite number of spatial locations? (If so, then integrating over an infinite number of points would only give an approximation.)
 
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Of course, you are absolutely right.

Integration is just much easier to perform than summing up discrete finite series.

Just keep in mind that the same argument may be used regarding any quantizied value. Try to make electronic design, counting individual electrons, rather than using 'approximation' of continuous current. Or try to construct a bridge, counting every atom, rather that taking steel as a continuous medium.

But, of course, in reality (whatever you mean by 'reality') steel is not continous, and consists of individual atoms, occupying their individual locations.
 
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Thanks, xts. But in that case arguments with infinity no longer should work. For example, the cardinality argument for the Casimir effect, in which it is stated that a countably infinite number of virtual particles can appear between the plates, whereas a continuum-number of virtual particles can appear outside, hence accounting for the greater energy density outside. But both inside and outside the number of possible virtual particles should be finite, trashing that argument. No?
 
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It would just refolmulate argument in terms of finite numbers: between plates you have some finite number of virtual particles, leading to some energy density, outside you have also finite number, but leading to different density, the pressure still is generated.

It is like with simple cylinder/piston/gas examples: you may analyse it in terms of continuous gas of different pressures or in terms of different (finite) numbers of gas atoms bumping from each side. Both views lead to the same results, at least until you don't go to low with the scale, making statistical fluctuation of particle number visible.
 
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That sounds reasonable. Would this apply to all cardinality arguments in Physics?
 
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nomadreid said:
That sounds reasonable. Would this apply to all cardinality arguments in Physics?
I guess so - at least to those arguments, which are used to explain experimentally verifable phenomena.

Such arguments should always be checked against common sense thought experiments. If the Casimir's effect would really require infinite, continuous space outside, it would give different results if performed in the lab room or at the open area. Actually it was confirmed within the lab (and even within a pretty small apparatus).
 

Related to Does the Quantization of Space-Time Imply a Finite Number of Spatial Locations?

1. What is quantization of space-time?

Quantization of space-time is a fundamental concept in physics that suggests that space and time are not continuous, but rather made up of small, discrete units. This means that space and time can only exist in specific, quantized values rather than being infinitely divisible.

2. Why is quantization of space-time important?

Quantization of space-time is important because it helps to reconcile two of the most successful theories in physics – general relativity and quantum mechanics. These two theories have different descriptions of space and time, and quantization of space-time provides a potential resolution to this conflict.

3. How does quantization of space-time affect our understanding of the universe?

Quantization of space-time has significant implications for our understanding of the universe. It suggests that at the smallest scales, the fabric of space and time is not continuous, which could have implications for our understanding of gravity, the nature of matter, and the origin of the universe.

4. Can quantization of space-time be tested or observed?

At this time, there is no direct experimental evidence for quantization of space-time. However, some theories, such as loop quantum gravity, make predictions that could potentially be tested through experiments in the future.

5. Are there any challenges or controversies surrounding the concept of quantization of space-time?

There are still many unanswered questions and debates surrounding the concept of quantization of space-time. Some scientists argue that it is just a mathematical tool and does not reflect physical reality, while others believe it is an essential aspect of our universe. Additionally, there is currently no unified theory that fully incorporates quantization of space-time, so further research and exploration are needed to fully understand its implications.

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