Dynamic pressure variances in sealed and pressurised systems

In summary, the conversation discusses the behavior of pressurized fluids in sealed containers when agitated or brought into motion. The system described includes a large circular container with a central agitator and two cylinders attached, with flaps to control the flow of pressurized liquid into and out of the cylinders. The main question is whether the rotating pressurized fluid will create a venturi effect and suck the liquid back out of the cylinder. It is mentioned that without a proper circulation path or means of removing heat, the system can become overheated and potentially destructive. The idea of using this system as a communication device underwater is also mentioned.
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Roger1946
Hi
Last did physics about 50 years ago but have become interested in how pressuried fluids behave in sealed containers when they are rapidly agitted or otherwise brought into motion.

Envisage a large circular container with a central power driven agitator. Two cylinders are attached . The whole system is pressurised with the liquid static. The agitator is now powered up and the liquid in the circular cyclinder is provided a dynamic force in one direction as well as being under pressure.
Each cylinder is controlled by two separate flaps, one to allow the circulating pressurised liquid to enter the cylinder (this opens into the flow of the liquid) and the other opens against the flow to permit the liquid in the cycliner to exit.

The question I have is to what extent will the rotating pressurise fluid create a venturi and suck the liquid back out of the cylinder.
Or could anyone suggest any literature I should read?
 
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You might get some recirculation flow but since the system is full of liquid you won't be able create a void anywhere because any liquid removed would have nowhere to go .

The usual result of having an agitator of any type in a totally closed system without an adequate flow circulation path or means of removing heat is that the whole system just gets hotter and hotter and the pressure rises until something breaks .

If the heating is enough to make the liquid boil then the results at final failure can be very destructive .
 
  • #3
Thanks for your thoughts Nidum.
I had hoped that the circular flow would induce a pressure gradient rising from P1 at the centre of the agitator to a greater pressure at the container wall P2. Also when the flow was deflected inwards by the outgoing cylinder flap the disorganised flow area after the edge of the flap would be at a pressure (P0) lower than P1 or P2 . This isolated lower pressure area could be turned on or off by the rapid opening/closing of the flap. All of this would help the volume of the cylinder to oscillate setting up a pressure vibration that could be used as an audio source at the end of the cylinder as a means of communication underwater.

Perhaps my variant of a water hammer as a communication device has become too commplicated!

Thanks Roger1946
 

1. What is dynamic pressure in sealed and pressurised systems?

Dynamic pressure in sealed and pressurised systems refers to the force exerted by a fluid in motion, such as air or liquid, on the walls of a sealed and pressurised container or system. It is caused by the movement and collisions of individual molecules within the fluid.

2. How does dynamic pressure affect the performance of sealed and pressurised systems?

Dynamic pressure plays a crucial role in the performance of sealed and pressurised systems. It can impact the structural integrity of the system, as well as the flow and distribution of the fluid within. Excessive dynamic pressure can lead to leaks, bursts, and other malfunctions.

3. What factors can affect dynamic pressure in sealed and pressurised systems?

Several factors can influence the dynamic pressure in sealed and pressurised systems. These include the speed and density of the fluid, the shape and size of the container, and the temperature and viscosity of the fluid. Changes in any of these variables can alter the dynamic pressure in the system.

4. How is dynamic pressure measured in sealed and pressurised systems?

Dynamic pressure can be measured using a variety of instruments, such as pressure gauges, manometers, or pitot tubes. These devices can provide accurate readings of the force exerted by the fluid on the walls of the system, allowing for the monitoring and adjustment of dynamic pressure levels.

5. How can dynamic pressure variances be controlled in sealed and pressurised systems?

To control dynamic pressure variances in sealed and pressurised systems, it is essential to carefully design and engineer the system to withstand the expected fluid flow and pressure. Regular maintenance and monitoring can also help identify and address any issues that may arise. Additionally, implementing safety measures, such as pressure relief valves, can prevent excessive pressure build-up and ensure the system's safe operation.

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