Exploring the Confusing Impact of Compressibility on CL Measurements

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between accounting compressibility and measurements for CL, and how CL changes as a function of increasing mach number. The participants also discuss the use of the Prandtl-Glauert correction to calculate the incompressible lift curve for a plane traveling at high speeds. The conversation ends with a question about how to calculate the incompressible CL at a specific angle of attack, which can be done using the lift curve slope equation.
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Homework Statement
Given a geometric angle of attack of 3deg, and the lift-curve below(measured compressible CL, M>0.3), use the Prandtl-Glauert correction to calculate the lift coefficient of the wing assuming incompressible flow.

DISCLAIMER: with Cl I mean the lift of the wing profile, the airfoil, and with the CL the lift of the whole wing
Relevant Equations
Induced AOA: ##\alpha_i=\frac{57.3C_L}{\pi e_1 A}##
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This situation is really confusing me. First of all, does accounting compressibility affect the measurements for CL? If yes, how does CL change as a function of the increasing mach number?

Back to the problem, above is the "in-flight" lift curve for a plane traveling at high speeds, so the CLs are supposed to be for compressible flow.
To find the related CL for incompressible flow, since we can apply the Prandtl-Glauert(PG) correction only to profile Cl, we must first switch to the lift-curve of the airfoil(Cl versus alpha).
We find that a Cl of 0.5 is obtained for alpha=1.8, so the slope changes and is higher, as expected.

Now, we can apply the "reverse" PG correction to this Cl coefficient to get the airfoil incompressible curve: a Cl of 0.433 is obtained for alpha=1.8.
And here is where I got stuck... how do I get from the Cl curve, to the CL curve(to find incomp. CL at alpha is 3), if I don 't know the induced angle of attack?
 
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Or, is there another way?The way to get from the Cl curve to the CL curve is to use a relationship between the lift coefficient and the angle of attack called the lift curve slope. This relationship is given by: CL = CL0 + K*alpha, where CL0 is the lift coefficient at zero angle of attack, and K is the lift curve slope (the rate of change of lift coefficient with angle of attack). For any given angle of attack, you can find the corresponding lift coefficient by plugging it into the equation and solving for CL. Using this equation, you can then calculate the incompressible CL at any given angle of attack.
 

1. What is compressibility and how does it affect CL measurements?

Compressibility refers to the change in volume or density of a fluid when it is subjected to pressure. In the context of CL measurements, compressibility can impact the accuracy of the results because it alters the behavior of the fluid, particularly at high velocities and pressures.

2. How do researchers account for compressibility in CL measurements?

There are several methods that researchers use to account for compressibility in CL measurements. One common approach is to use correction factors or equations that take into account the compressibility of the fluid being studied. Another method is to conduct experiments at different pressures and velocities and then extrapolate the data to determine the true value.

3. Can compressibility affect the results of CL measurements in all types of fluids?

Yes, compressibility can affect the results of CL measurements in all types of fluids, including gases and liquids. However, the degree of impact may vary depending on the specific properties of the fluid, such as its density, viscosity, and compressibility factor.

4. Are there any potential sources of error when accounting for compressibility in CL measurements?

Yes, there are potential sources of error when accounting for compressibility in CL measurements. These can include inaccuracies in the correction factors or equations used, variations in experimental conditions, and uncertainties in the data extrapolation process. It is important for researchers to carefully consider and address these potential sources of error in order to obtain accurate results.

5. How can the confusing impact of compressibility on CL measurements be addressed in future research?

In order to better understand and address the impact of compressibility on CL measurements, future research could focus on developing more accurate correction factors or equations, conducting experiments at a wider range of pressures and velocities, and using advanced computational techniques to model and simulate the behavior of compressible fluids. Additionally, collaboration and knowledge-sharing among researchers in different fields could also help to advance our understanding of this complex phenomenon.

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