Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction -- Motional EMF

In summary: The magnetic field in a region from x=0 to x=l creates an emf. This emf is potential difference across which two points? The emf exists independently of the presence of a loop.
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There is magnetic field in B = B ##\hat z## in a region from x=0 to x=l.
There is a metal rectangular wire loop with length l and width w in x- y plane with coordinates of four corners as (0,0),(0,w),(l,0),(l,w). This loop is moved with velocity v=v##\hat x##.
Now according to Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction,
there will be an emf and as a result there will be a current in the loop.
Now,
emf ≡ ξ = ##\frac{-dΦ}{dt} = Bwv##
This ξ is potential difference across which two points?
I think this is the potential difference across that two points which is just going out of the magnetic field region because in a small region around these two points the Φ is changing.
Now, applying Lenz's law,
since here the flux is decreasing, current will flow in a direction which will oppose this change in flux.
To increase the flux, magnetic field due to this current should be in ##\hat z## direction and for this the current should move in the anti - clockwise direction.

Now at time t, the two points which are going out of the magnetic field region is (l-vt,0),(l-vt,w).
The current is going from (l-vt,0) to (l-vt,w). Since the current flows from higher potential to lower potential,the potential at(l-vt,0) is higher than that at (l-vt,w).

Now it is said that to verify the presence of ξ, we need a loop (so that we can check the current.),but ξ exists independently of the presence of the loop. So, even if there is no loop, there will be ξ.

Now, the problem is : this ξ wil be across which two points?
And if there is no loop here, then the flux is not changing.
In the presence of loop, the flux over the area covered by the loop is changing.

From the presence of ξ, it is induced that there is electric field and this electric field is known as induced electric field Ein.
But magnetic field is not changing here. So, what is creating Ein?
Now the relation between V and E is given as
V(b)-V(a) = -∫abE.dl
But the relation between ξ and Ein is given as
##ξ =\oint \vec{ E _{in}}\cdot d \vec l ##

From where do we get this relation? Is it empirical?
Note that ξ is defined only for a circular path and there is absence of negative sign on R.H.S.,too. Can anyone please explain this?
Can we say that ξ is defined only in the presence of a loop?

And so, the following question cannot be answered:
This ξ is potential difference across which two points?
But in general, it is said that Ein exists independently of the presence of loop.
So, if in a region R,I change B, there will be Ein. Will this Ein be
only in this region R or will it exist in the whole space (of course, decreasing in magnitude as the distance from this region increases)?

Now , if in this region ,I place a test charge q stationary for sometime , so that magnetic force acting on it is 0, then this charge will experience a force F = q Ein.
Is this correct?
 
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Uhm no! Without a loop, there is no induced emf.

An emf can be defined by: ##\xi = \oint_C \vec E . \vec{dA}## where C is the loop. Since it is a contour integral, you see that a loop is required.
 
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Pushoam said:
This ξ is potential difference across which two points?
Across the resistance of the loop. You can model the loop as a conductor loop with a resistance R.
But the "induced" emf is along the moving length perpendicular to the field. It is non-conservative.
Pushoam said:
So, what is creating Ein?
It is called 'motional emf'. The v×B force on the electrons causes thus emf.
 
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It also follows from the completed (only correct!) integral version of Faraday's law for moving surfaces ##A## with boundary ##\partial A##:
$$\int_{\partial A} \mathrm{d} \vec{x} \cdot \left (\vec{E}+\frac{\vec{v}}{c} \times \vec{B} \right )=-\frac{1}{c} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} \int_{A} \mathrm{d}^2 \vec{f} \cdot \vec{B}.$$
Here ##\vec{v}=\vec{v}(t,\vec{x})## is the velocity field of the surface (here needed of course only along the boundary).

I don't understand, why many textbooks carelessly through a wrong integral Faraday law at their readers instead of giving the really nice correct derivation, which you even find in the Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday's_law_of_induction#Proof_of_Faraday.27s_law
 
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Griffith, electrodynamics

In page no. 304,
Griffith defines e.m.f as ξ = ##\oint f.dl ##,
and he says that e.m.f. is the net effect of the mechanism which drives the current in the circuit.
And after some calculation it turns out that this e.m.f. is equal to the potential difference across the battery.
But conceptually e.m.f. and potential difference are two different things.In page 305, just above the equation (7.11),he says the following
If the entire loop is pulled to the right with speed v,
the charges in segment ab experience a magnetic force whose vertical component
qvB drives current around the loop, in the clockwise direction.
This means that it is the magnetic force which pushes the charges up, right?
And so the magnetic force is doing the work.

In equation (7.11) he derives e.m.f. as line integral of magnetic force.

Then, he says that magnetic force does no work. It is the person who is pulling the loop is doing the work on the charge.

Then, he says that the emf is equal to this work done per unit charge. But, the emf and the work done per unit charge are conceptually different.
Now, my question is : Is work done per unit charge always equal to the e.m.f. ? I am this because calculating e.m.f. is easier than calculating work done per unit charge.

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While in page 30 9, he uses emf as potential difference for calculating current.

So, can anyone please tell me the physical significance of e.m.f.?
I think practically, in any circuit , I can calculate e.m.f. and then take this emf as work done per unit charge i.e. potential difference for further calculation.
Is this correct?
 

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Pushoam said:
This means that it is the magnetic force which pushes the charges up, right?
And so the magnetic force is doing the work.
The magnetic force exists only because of the velocity of the rod, which is the result of the person's physical effort. No effort, no velocity and no magnetic force. Hence, it's the mechanical force by the person that does the work here. Energy is not consumed unless there is current in the electrical circuit. Hence, no current, no work. The braking Bil force on the current carrying rod indicates that the energy is being consumed in the electric circuit and and the person must apply an equal and opposite force in order to keep the rod moving with the same velocity.
Magnetic field acts as a medium for conversion between electrical and mechanical energy.
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Is work done per unit charge always equal to the e.m.f. ?
Work done per unit charge in order to move it from a to b is the potential difference between a and b. Work done per unit charge in order to move it from +ve terminal of the battery to its negative terminal is the emf.
 
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cnh1995 said:
braking Bil force
What is it?
 
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Pushoam said:
What is it?
The force acting on the rod when a current starts flowing through it. Have you studied Flemming's left hand rule?
 
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No, I have heard of it.
 

1. What is Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction?

Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction states that when a conductor moves through a magnetic field or when there is a change in the magnetic field through a conductor, an electromotive force (EMF) is induced in the conductor. This EMF causes an electric current to flow through the conductor.

2. How is motional EMF different from induced EMF?

Motional EMF is a type of induced EMF that occurs when a conductor moves through a magnetic field. Induced EMF, on the other hand, can also be caused by a changing magnetic field without any movement of the conductor.

3. What is the mathematical formula for calculating motional EMF?

The formula for calculating motional EMF is E = Bvl, where E is the induced EMF, B is the magnetic field strength, v is the velocity of the conductor, and l is the length of the conductor that is in the magnetic field. This formula is known as the motional EMF equation.

4. What is the significance of Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction?

Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction is significant because it explains the relationship between electricity and magnetism. It also allows for the generation of electricity through various methods such as generators and transformers, which are essential in our daily lives.

5. Can Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction be applied in practical applications?

Yes, Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction has many practical applications, including generators, transformers, and electric motors. It is also used in various technologies such as wireless charging, induction stoves, and magnetic levitation trains.

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