Find Local Max/Min: 2nd Derivative=0

In summary, when determining whether a point is a local maxima or minima, a "stationary point" means that the first derivative is zero and the second derivative is also zero. If the first nonzero derivative is odd, the point is a stationary inflection point and if it is even, the point is a minimum if the derivative is positive and a maximum if it is negative. This may seem counter-intuitive, but can be demonstrated analytically by looking at the behavior of the function in a small enough neighborhood around the point. In this neighborhood, the function behaves like a power function, with the higher order terms being dominated by the nth term.
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How do I distinguish between a point of local maxima or minima, when the second derivative in that point is equal to zero?
 
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"Stationary point" means that first derivative is zero and you specify that second also is.
In that case, if the first nonzero derivative is odd (third, fifth etc.), it is neither maximum nor minimum but a stationary inflection point. If the first nonzero derivative is even (fourth, sixth etc.), the point is minimum if that derivative is positive and maximum if negative.
 
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snorkack said:
"Stationary point" means that first derivative is zero and you specify that second also is.
In that case, if the first nonzero derivative is odd (third, fifth etc.), it is neither maximum nor minimum but a stationary inflection point. If the first nonzero derivative is even (fourth, sixth etc.), the point is minimum if that derivative is positive and maximum if negative.
Got it!
That seems quite counter-intuitive... is there a way to demonstrate it "empirically", or is there just an analytical way to do it?
 
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The functions where first nonzero derivative is an odd one behave like odd powers of x and don´ t have extrema. It is a stationary inflection point. The functions where first nonzero derivative is even one behave like even powers of x, and do have extrema. When second derivative is specified zero, but first nonzero derivative is even one then the extremum is a flattened extremum, but an extremum nevertheless.
 
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This is more or less what snorkack said, but if you have some function ##f(x)## which has zero ##k##th derivatives for ##k\lt n##, you have ##f(x)\approx \frac{f^{(n)}(x_0)}{n!}(x-x_0)^n##. The higher order terms are dominated by the ##n##th term if ##x## is close enough to ##x_0##. So basically, in some small enough neighborhood of ##x_0##, the behavior of ##f(x)## reduces to the behavior of the power function ##\frac{f^{(n)}(x_0)}{n!}(x-x_0)^n##.
 
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1. What is the significance of the 2nd derivative being equal to 0 in finding local max/min?

The 2nd derivative being equal to 0 indicates that the slope of the graph is changing from increasing to decreasing or vice versa. This means that the point where the 2nd derivative is equal to 0 is a possible turning point, which could be a local max or min.

2. How do you use the 2nd derivative test to find local max/min?

The 2nd derivative test involves taking the 2nd derivative of the function and evaluating it at the critical points (where the 1st derivative is equal to 0 or undefined). If the 2nd derivative is positive at a critical point, then it is a local minimum. If the 2nd derivative is negative at a critical point, then it is a local maximum.

3. Can the 2nd derivative test determine if a point is a global max/min?

No, the 2nd derivative test can only determine if a point is a local max/min. To determine if a point is a global max/min, you would need to evaluate the function at all critical points and the endpoints of the interval.

4. Are there any other methods for finding local max/min besides using the 2nd derivative?

Yes, there are other methods such as using the 1st derivative test or graphing the function to visually identify the local max/min points. However, the 2nd derivative test is often preferred as it is more accurate and efficient.

5. Can the 2nd derivative be equal to 0 at a point that is not a local max/min?

Yes, the 2nd derivative can be equal to 0 at a point that is not a local max/min. This could happen at an inflection point where the concavity of the graph changes, but the point is not a local max/min.

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