Find the value of ##N## in the logarithm problem

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving logarithms and the solution involves finding the value of N. Using the given equations, it can be solved by setting up a system of simultaneous equations and solving for the values of p and q. The final solution is N = 512.
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Homework Statement
If ##2log_8N=p##, ##log_2 (2N)=q##, ##q-p=4## then find ##N##
Relevant Equations
Logs
My approach is as follows;
$$\log_8 N= \frac {1}{2} p$$
$$\log_2 (2N)=q$$
$$→8^{\scriptstyle\frac 1 2} = N$$
$$ 2^q=2N$$
$$2^{\scriptstyle\frac 3 2} =N$$
$$2^q= 2N$$
then from 1 and 2, it follows that,
$$2^{q-1.5p} =2,$$ on solving the simultaneous equation;

$$q-1.5p=1, q-p=4$$, we get ##q=10## and ##p=6##
##2^{10}=2N##
##N=512##

any other ways...cheers guys
 
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[tex]
\begin{split}
4 &= \log_2(2N) - 2\log_8(N) \\
&= 1 + \log_2(N)\left(1 - \frac{2}{\log_2(8)} \right) \\
&= 1 + \log_2(N)\left(1 - \frac{2}{3}\right)\\
&= 1 + \tfrac{1}{3}\log_2(N)\end{split}[/tex] Hence [itex]N = 2^{9}[/itex].
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: If ##2log_8N=p##, ##log_2 2N=q##, ##q-p=4## then find ##N##
Relevant Equations:: Logs

My approach is as follows;
$$log_8 N= \frac {1}{2} P$$
$$log_2 2N=q$$
$$→8^{0.5p} = N$$
$$ 2^q=2N$$
$$2^{1.5p} =N...1$$
$$2^q= 2N...2$$
then from 1 and 2, it follows that,
$$2^{q-1.5p} =2,$$ on solving the simultaneous equation;

$$q-1.5p=1, q-p=4$$, we get ##q=10## and ##p=6##
##2^{10}=2N##
##N=512##

any other ways...cheers guys
Hello there !

Not much room for improvement, but I'm prepared to play devil's advocate :smile:

Clarity:
Don't write ##\log_2 2N=q\qquad ## but ##\log_2( 2N)=q##​
Don't use ##\rightarrow\ ## but ##\Rightarrow\ ## (##\Rightarrow##, ##\ ##not ##rightarrow##)
(single arrow means 'goes to', double arrow means if 'left' is true then 'right' is true )
Consistency:
Don't write ##\log_8 N= \frac {1}{2} P\qquad ## but ##\log_8 N= \frac {1}{2} p##​
(case consistency is important)​

##\LaTeX##:

Use ##\log\ ##, ##\ ## not ##log\ ## (##\log##, ##\ ##not ##log##)
(log is an operator name, not the product of the three variables ##l##, ##o## and ##g##)​
(See 'Special functions' here)​
Use ##\frac 1 2 \ ## and ##\frac 3 2\ ## , not ##\scriptstyle {0.5} \ ## and ##\scriptstyle {1.5} \ ##.​
Often ##\frac 1 2 \ ## (\scriptstyle \frac 1 2 when in displayed math mode) looks better than ##\displaystyle \frac 1 2 \ ##. And vice versa (\displaystyle \frac 1 2 when in in-line ##\TeX## mode).​
Displayed math allows you to combine a few things on a line:​
$$\qquad \log_8 N= {\scriptstyle \frac {1}{2}} p\qquad \Rightarrow\qquad 8^{0.5p} = N\qquad \Rightarrow\qquad 2^{\frac 3 2 p}=N$$ $$\log_2( 2N)=q \qquad \Rightarrow\qquad 2^q= 2N$$

Dont use ##...1\ ## etc for equation numbers.​
Alignment is a nightmare and it looks ugly. Instead, learn about environments​
(See 'Multiple lines' here. To suppress equation numbers confusion, use {align*} and manually add equation numbers with ##\tag 1## etc. )​
My 'best shot' (still unhappy because the double arrows don't align :mad: )​
$$\begin{align*}
\log_8 N&= {\scriptstyle \frac {1}{2}} p & \Rightarrow \qquad 8^{\frac 1 2p} &= N &\Rightarrow 2^{\frac 3 2 p}&=N\tag 1 \\
\log_2( 2N)&=\ q & \Rightarrow \qquad 2^q&= 2N \tag 2 \end{align*} $$
##\ ##​
 
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BvU said:
Hello there !

Not much room for improvement, but I'm prepared to play devil's advocate :smile:

Clarity:
Don't write ##\log_2 2N=q\qquad ## but ##\log_2( 2N)=q##​
Don't use ##\rightarrow\ ## but ##\Rightarrow\ ## (##\Rightarrow##, ##\ ##not ##rightarrow##)
(single arrow means 'goes to', double arrow means if 'left' is true then 'right' is true )
Consistency:
Don't write ##\log_8 N= \frac {1}{2} P\qquad ## but ##\log_8 N= \frac {1}{2} p##​
(case consistency is important)​

##\LaTeX##:

Use ##\log\ ##, ##\ ## not ##log\ ## (##\log##, ##\ ##not ##log##)
(log is an operator name, not the product of the three variables ##l##, ##o## and ##g##)​
(See 'Special functions' here)​
Use ##\frac 1 2 \ ## and ##\frac 3 2\ ## , not ##\scriptstyle {0.5} \ ## and ##\scriptstyle {1.5} \ ##.​
Often ##\frac 1 2 \ ## (\scriptstyle \frac 1 2 when in displayed math mode) looks better than ##\displaystyle \frac 1 2 \ ##. And vice versa (\displaystyle \frac 1 2 when in in-line ##\TeX## mode).​
Displayed math allows you to combine a few things on a line:​
$$\qquad \log_8 N= {\scriptstyle \frac {1}{2}} p\qquad \Rightarrow\qquad 8^{0.5p} = N\qquad \Rightarrow\qquad 2^{\frac 3 2 p}=N$$ $$\log_2( 2N)=q \qquad \Rightarrow\qquad 2^q= 2N$$

Dont use ##...1\ ## etc for equation numbers.​
Alignment is a nightmare and it looks ugly. Instead, learn about environments​
(See 'Multiple lines' here. To suppress equation numbers confusion, use {align*} and manually add equation numbers with ##\tag 1## etc. )​
My 'best shot' (still unhappy because the double arrows don't align :mad: )​
$$\begin{align*}
\log_8 N&= {\scriptstyle \frac {1}{2}} p & \Rightarrow \qquad 8^{\frac 1 2p} &= N &\Rightarrow 2^{\frac 3 2 p}&=N\tag 1 \\
\log_2( 2N)&=\ q & \Rightarrow \qquad 2^q&= 2N \tag 2 \end{align*} $$
##\ ##​
Thanks bvu, I am learning this beautiful latex language. Cheers mate.
 

What is a logarithm?

A logarithm is the inverse function of exponentiation. It is used to solve for the power or exponent that a base number needs to be raised to in order to get a certain result.

How do I solve for the value of N in a logarithm problem?

To solve for the value of N, you will need to use the properties of logarithms and algebraic manipulation. First, isolate the logarithm on one side of the equation. Then, use the inverse operation of the logarithm (exponentiation) to both sides of the equation. Finally, solve for N using basic algebra.

What are the properties of logarithms?

The three main properties of logarithms are the product property, quotient property, and power property. The product property states that the logarithm of a product is equal to the sum of the logarithms of each individual factor. The quotient property states that the logarithm of a quotient is equal to the difference of the logarithms of the numerator and denominator. The power property states that the logarithm of a number raised to a power is equal to the product of that power and the logarithm of the base number.

What is the common base for logarithms?

The most commonly used base for logarithms is base 10, also known as the common logarithm. This is denoted as log10. Another commonly used base is base e, also known as the natural logarithm. This is denoted as ln.

Can a logarithm have a negative value?

Yes, a logarithm can have a negative value. However, this only occurs when the base of the logarithm is between 0 and 1. In this case, the logarithm will be negative and represent a number between 0 and -1. When the base is greater than 1, the logarithm will always be positive.

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