Finding the argument of a Transfer Function

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the Arg (angle) of a transfer function. The formula for finding the argument of a complex number is arctan(y/x). It is important to consider the quadrant in which the complex number is located. It can also be helpful to think of the complex number as a vector on an Argand diagram. For the specific case of jAw, it is located on the imaginary axis and makes a 90 degree angle with the real axis.
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Homework Statement
How do I determine Arg{ H(ω) } of the transfer function H(ω)?

A = 1/RC

Both R and C are unknown.
Relevant Equations
H(ω) = (jAω)/((A^2)+(3jAω)-(ω^2))
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What have you tried?
 
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In general, how would you go about finding the Arg (angle) of a transfer function?
 
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Arg{(jAω)/(A²+3jAω-ω²)} = Arg{jAω} - Arg{A²+3jAω-ω²} = arctan(Aω) - arctan(3Aω)
 
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HairyScarecrow said:
Arg{(jAω)/(A²+3jAω-ω²)} = Arg{jAω} - Arg{A²+3jAω-ω²} = arctan(Aω) - arctan(3Aω)
I know this is a late reply, but there is an error there. When we have a complex number [itex] z = x + j y [/itex] and we want to find the argument, that means that we want to find the angle between the positive real axis and that complex number. There are plenty of youtube videos to watch/ articles to read that can give you a better graphical understanding, but basically for a 1st quadrant complex number ([itex] x > 0 , y > 0 [/itex], we have that [itex] arg(z) = \arctan \left( \frac{y}{x} \right) [/itex]. This should help you deal with the denominator of your transfer function (group the real and imaginary parts)

NOTE: do not just quote this formula without considering what quadrant we are dealing with.

It is sometimes helpful to think about this complex number as a 'vector' in terms of drawing a line from the origin to where it is.

As for the arg(jAw), try and draw a sketch of where jAw is located on an Argand diagram and think about the angle (a line connecting it to the origin) it makes with the positive real axis. HINT: what angle is the imaginary axis to the real axis?
 
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What is the purpose of finding the argument of a Transfer Function?

The argument of a Transfer Function is used to determine the phase shift of a signal passing through a system. This information is important in understanding how the system will alter the original signal.

How is the argument of a Transfer Function calculated?

The argument of a Transfer Function is calculated by taking the inverse tangent of the imaginary part divided by the real part. This can also be represented using the polar form of the Transfer Function.

Why is it important to find the argument of a Transfer Function?

The argument of a Transfer Function provides crucial information about the behavior of a system. It allows us to understand the phase shift and frequency response of the system, which is essential in designing and analyzing systems.

What does the argument of a Transfer Function tell us about the system?

The argument of a Transfer Function tells us how much the system will delay or advance the input signal at different frequencies. This information is used to analyze the stability and performance of the system.

Are there any limitations to using the argument of a Transfer Function?

While the argument of a Transfer Function is a useful tool, it does have limitations. It assumes a linear and time-invariant system, and it may not accurately represent the behavior of a system with non-linear or time-varying elements.

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