From noether theorem to Laplace-runge-lenz vector

In summary, the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector is related to the symmetry of the system, specifically SO(4) symmetry and other groups containing subgroups isomorphic to SO(4). This is defined by the Poisson brackets of the symmetry algebra. However, there are also topological conservation laws that are not related to a local symmetry, such as the winding number of a field on a circle. The conservation of the Runge-Lenz vector is not directly linked to the symmetry of the Lagrangian, but rather arises from the invariance of the classical action integral with respect to time. This can be seen in a derivation that fills in the gap left by its omission from graduate-level classical mechanics texts.
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it is said that each conserved quantity is related to some symmetry of the system

so, what is the symmetry underlying the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector?
 
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SO(4) symmetry and other groups containing subgroups isomorphic to SO(4).
 
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Have a look at the Poisson brackets defining the symmetry algebra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace–Runge–Lenz_vector

Remark: there are so called topological conservation laws which are not related to a local symmetry via Noether's theorem. Think about a field exp(iθ(α)) where the angle α is defined on a circle S1, so α lives in [0,2π]. When α runs once around the circle from 0 to 2π the field θ (which must be periodic on the circle) may run from 0 to 2wπ with w = 0, ±1, ±2, ... The winding number w is a conserved quantity b/c no local deformation or oscillation of the field θ(x) can change this winding number.
 
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Conservation of the Runge-Lenz vector does not correspond to a symmetry of the Lagrangian itself. It arises from an invariance of the integral of the Lagrangian with respect to time, the classical action integral. Some time ago I wrote up a derivation of the conserved vector for any spherically symmetric potential:

http://analyticphysics.com/Runge Vector/The Symmetry Corresponding to the Runge Vector.htm

The derivation is at the level of Goldstein and is meant to fill in the gap left by its omission from graduate-level classical mechanics texts.
 
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1. What is Noether's Theorem?

Noether's Theorem is a fundamental principle in theoretical physics that states that for every continuous symmetry in a physical system, there exists a corresponding conserved quantity.

2. How is Noether's Theorem related to the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector?

Noether's Theorem is related to the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector through the conservation of angular momentum. The Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector is a conserved quantity that arises from the rotational symmetry of a central force potential, which is a direct result of Noether's Theorem.

3. What is the significance of the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector?

The Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector is significant because it provides important information about the motion of a particle in a central force field. It can be used to determine the eccentricity and orientation of an orbit, as well as the total energy of the system.

4. Can Noether's Theorem and the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector be applied to all physical systems?

Yes, Noether's Theorem and the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector can be applied to any physical system that exhibits rotational symmetry and follows Newton's laws of motion.

5. How has the understanding of Noether's Theorem and the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector impacted modern physics?

The understanding of Noether's Theorem and the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector has had a significant impact on modern physics. It has allowed for the discovery and understanding of new physical laws and has played a crucial role in the development of theories such as general relativity and quantum mechanics.

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