GR Schutz: Why r Must Decrease in Black Hole Section?

In summary, Schutz states in his book that at r<2GM, r is a timelike coordinate and t has become spacelike, providing further evidence for the unusual behavior of t and r. As the infalling particle must follow a timelike world line, it constantly changes r, resulting in a decrease rather than an increase in r. However, in general relativity, there is no distinction between past and future, so the spherically symmetric solution cannot distinguish between black and white holes. This can be described in a Penrose diagram, with a more detailed explanation in various sources. In loop quantum gravity, there are some bounce solutions where gravitational collapse can be reversed, potentially allowing for the existence of white holes.
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Schutz states in his book in the black hole section that: At r<2GM, r is a timelike coordnate, while t has become spacelike: even more evidence for the funniness of t and r! Since the infalling particle must follow a
timelike world line, it must constantly change r, and of course this means decrease r.
I understand why r must change but why does it means deacreas in r and not increase?
 
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This is a great question.

There is nothing in GR that distinguishes past from future. Therefore it is not possible that the unique spherically symmetric solution to the vacuum field equations would distinguish past from future. The equations and coordinate charts you're referring to can be described equally well as a white hole, which only emits matter and radiation, but never accepts it.

It is also possible to extend those coordinate charts. The maximally extended version of the Schwarzschild spacetime includes both a black hole and a white hole. However, the white hole can't be formed by gravitational collapse, so we don't think white holes exist in our universe.

I find this kind of thing impossible to analyze without a Penrose diagram. I have a simple, easy intro to Penrose diagrams in my book Relativity for Poets http://www.lightandmatter.com/poets/ , section 11.5. For a fancier discussion, see section 7.3 of General Relativity http://www.lightandmatter.com/genrel/ . For the maximally extended Schwarzschild spacetime, try Carroll http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll3/Carroll7.html .
 
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However, the white hole can't be formed by gravitational collapse, so we don't think white holes exist in our universe.
This is true in GR. In loop quantum gravity there are some bounce solutions where the collapse can be turned around. This may be true also in other quantisations, but this is the one I am aware of. (Of course, loop quantum gravity remains unverified to this date.)
 

1. What is GR Schutz and why is it important?

GR Schutz, or General Relativity Schutz, is a theory developed by physicist Bernard Schutz that explains the behavior of gravity in the context of Einstein's theory of general relativity. It is important because it provides a more accurate understanding of gravity and has been supported by numerous experiments and observations.

2. Why must r decrease in the black hole section of the theory?

In the GR Schutz theory, r represents the distance from the center of a black hole. As an object gets closer to the center, the gravitational pull becomes stronger and the speed of light decreases. This means that in order for light to escape the black hole, r must decrease to a certain point where the escape velocity is equal to the speed of light.

3. How does GR Schutz explain the behavior of black holes?

GR Schutz explains that black holes are regions in space where the gravitational pull is so strong that even light cannot escape. This is due to the extreme curvature of space and time caused by the massive object at the center of the black hole. The theory also predicts that black holes have an event horizon, a point of no return from which nothing, not even light, can escape.

4. What evidence supports GR Schutz's theory?

There is strong evidence from various astronomical observations that supports the predictions of GR Schutz. For example, the bending of light around massive objects, known as gravitational lensing, has been observed and is consistent with the theory. Additionally, the detection of gravitational waves, which are ripples in space-time predicted by GR Schutz, provides further evidence for the validity of the theory.

5. Are there any current challenges to GR Schutz's theory?

While GR Schutz has been successful in explaining many phenomena, it is not a complete theory and there are still areas of the universe where it does not fully apply. For example, at the quantum level, the theory breaks down and is incompatible with quantum mechanics. This has led to ongoing efforts to develop a unified theory of gravity that can reconcile these two theories.

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