Gravitational Energy in GR: Energy Conservation Explained

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of energy conservation in the context of viewing free fall as an inertial frame. It is pointed out that energy is frame-dependent and that in the free fall frame, kinetic energy increases while in a fixed frame relative to the Earth, energy is constant. The idea of energy in general relativity is also briefly mentioned, with an explanation that locally it is conserved but globally it is not well-defined.
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If you view free fall as an inertial frame and therefore items at "rest" on the Earth's surface are accelerating away from the centre of mass I do not understand how energy is conserved. Taking this view, relative to the free fall frame the items will be gaining velocity which implies that the kinetic energy will be increasing. Can someone explain to me why this wrong. Thanks a lot.
 
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david316 said:
Taking this view, relative to the free fall frame the items will be gaining velocity which implies that the kinetic energy will be increasing.

Yes, that's true. Energy is frame-dependent. The items are gaining kinetic energy relative to the free-fall frame, but not relative to a frame that is fixed to the Earth.
 
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That makes sense... I think. It makes a little sense to me if you consider there is no absolute frame of reference in the universe. Followup question, if I use E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2 and since velocity and hence momentum are increasing relative to freefall does that mean the mass of the item on Earth will be getting lighter.
 
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david316 said:
if I use E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2 and since velocity and hence momentum are increasing relative to freefall does that mean the mass of the item on Earth will be getting lighter.

No. Velocity increases in the freely falling frame, but so does energy. In a frame fixed to the Earth, velocity is zero and energy is constant. In both cases, ##m## remains constant.
 
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That makes sense. Thanks a lot.
 
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Note also that energy itself is a bit of a tricky concept in GR.

Locally, it is frame variant, as mentioned by Peter Donis (energy and momentum form a four-vector). However, locally at least it is conserved (stress energy tensor has no divergence).

Globally, it is not even defined in general, let alone conserved. This is due to the difficulty in adding different vectors in different locations in a curved space.

Here is a good overview of the issues.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/energy_gr.html
 
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Related to Gravitational Energy in GR: Energy Conservation Explained

1. What is gravitational energy in general relativity (GR)?

In general relativity, gravitational energy refers to the potential energy that exists between two objects due to their masses and the curvature of space-time. This energy is a result of the warping of space-time caused by the presence of massive objects.

2. How does GR explain the conservation of energy?

In general relativity, energy is not conserved in the traditional sense. Instead, the total energy of a system, including both matter and gravitational energy, remains constant. This is known as the conservation of the stress-energy tensor, which takes into account the energy and momentum of matter, as well as the energy of the gravitational field.

3. Can gravitational energy be converted into other forms of energy?

Yes, in situations where massive objects are in motion or undergoing changes in their gravitational fields, gravitational energy can be converted into other forms of energy such as kinetic energy or electromagnetic radiation. This is observed in phenomena such as gravitational waves and the orbits of celestial bodies.

4. How does the concept of gravitational energy in GR differ from Newtonian gravity?

In Newtonian gravity, gravitational energy is considered to be a separate, distinct form of energy that is conserved separately from other forms of energy. However, in GR, gravitational energy is not considered to be a distinct form of energy and is instead incorporated into the overall conservation of energy and momentum.

5. Can the total gravitational energy of a system be negative?

Yes, the total gravitational energy of a system can be negative in GR. This occurs when the gravitational potential energy is greater than the total energy of the system, resulting in a negative value. However, this does not violate the principle of energy conservation in GR, as the total energy of the system remains constant.

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