Higgs Expectation Value with Classical vs Quantum Potential

In summary: I am not familiar enough with these concepts to elaborate further.In summary, the arguments of how the Higgs gives mass in the Standard Model involve approximations and perturbative calculations. The Higgs potential and its minimum are used to calculate the vacuum expectation value of the field, which is then used to determine the masses of particles. This approach may not be exact, but is supported by experimental values and the small couplings in the model. More rigorous explanations can be found in Effective Actions and the tree approximation.
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I'm having a hard time following the arguments of how the Higgs gives mass in the Standard Model. In particular, the textbook by Srednicki gives the Higgs potential as:

$$V(\phi)=\frac{\lambda}{4}(\phi^\dagger \phi-\frac{1}{2}\nu^2)^2 $$

and states that because of this, $$\langle 0 | \phi(x) |0 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\begin{pmatrix}v \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}$$

However, I thought the proper procedure would be to write $$\phi=q+\tilde{\phi}$$, and substitute this

$$\tilde{V}(\tilde{\phi})=\frac{\lambda}{4}((q+\tilde{\phi})^\dagger (q+\tilde{\phi})-\frac{1}{2}\nu^2)^2 $$

Then you would calculate the minimum of the quantum effective potential $$\tilde{V}_{eff}(\tilde{\phi})$$, which will give you an equation that gives you 'q' in terms of 'ν' and your other couplings. You then plug this value into 'q' to get

$$\tilde{V}(\tilde{\phi})=\frac{\lambda}{4}((q(\nu,\lambda)+\tilde{\phi})^\dagger (q(\nu,\lambda)+\tilde{\phi})-\frac{1}{2}\nu^2)^2 $$

Moreover, any field M that multiplies the Higgs in an interaction now has a component

$$q(\nu,\lambda)*M$$

Did Srednicki skip all these steps? How can you just say that the vacuum expectation value of a field is the minimum of the classical potential? Is he renormalizing all his couplings so that the minimum of the classical potential is the minimum of the quantum effective potential?
 
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jim burns said:
Did Srednicki skip all these steps? How can you just say that the vacuum expectation value of a field is the minimum of the classical potential? Is he renormalizing all his couplings so that the minimum of the classical potential is the minimum of the quantum effective potential?

I think this is an interesting question that may be a bit out of my scope, but I'll try to provide at least a qualitative answer. Basically, It is not exact, but an approximation that can be justified in a regime of really weak couplings. In reality the quantum-mechanical ground state would be some superposition of all the "classical" vacuum states that is invariant under the symmetries of the Lagrangian/Hamiltonian, but for really weak couplings, this is unstable and falls into one of the potential states the way a classical system works. Essentially, my reasoning is similar to that used to explain why macroscopic objects are not in rotationally invariant ground states despite being governed by a rotationally invariant Hamiltonian. The Higgs Field is then a first order perturbation about this semiclassical vacuum state to get a perturbative spectrum (spectrum refers to the masses of particles).

The validity of this assumption seems to be supported due to the couplings to particles in this model are proportional to M/v , where M is the particle's mass and v is the v.e.v, which are all fairly small using experimental values. The top quark being a potential exception as well as some of the Higgs self-couplings

I believe a more rigorous answer could be found in talking about Effective Actions and the tree approximation, which are explained in Weinberg's Theory of Quantum Fields, vol. 2,
 
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1. What is the Higgs Expectation Value?

The Higgs Expectation Value is a fundamental concept in quantum field theory that represents the average value or expectation of the Higgs field at a given point in space. It is a crucial quantity in the Standard Model of particle physics and is responsible for giving mass to certain particles.

2. What is the difference between Classical and Quantum Potential?

The Classical Potential is a concept in classical mechanics that describes the potential energy of a system based on the positions of its particles. In contrast, the Quantum Potential is a mathematical quantity that arises in quantum mechanics and takes into account the wave-like behavior of particles. It is responsible for the probabilistic nature of quantum systems.

3. How does the Higgs Expectation Value change with Classical vs Quantum Potential?

The Higgs Expectation Value is affected by the potential energy of the Higgs field, which is determined by both the classical and quantum potentials. In classical mechanics, the Higgs Expectation Value remains constant, while in quantum mechanics, it can fluctuate due to the probabilistic nature of the wave-like behavior of particles.

4. What implications does the difference between Classical and Quantum Potential have on the Higgs Expectation Value?

The difference between Classical and Quantum Potential has significant implications for the Higgs Expectation Value and the behavior of the Higgs field. In classical mechanics, the Higgs field is stable and has a constant mass, while in quantum mechanics, the Higgs field can fluctuate and interact with other particles, leading to the possibility of spontaneous symmetry breaking and the generation of mass for particles.

5. How is the Higgs Expectation Value experimentally measured and verified?

The Higgs Expectation Value is a theoretical concept and cannot be directly measured. However, its effects can be observed through experiments such as the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN. By colliding particles at high energies, scientists can observe the behavior of the Higgs field and confirm its existence and properties, including the Higgs Expectation Value.

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