How do standing waves continue propagating?

In summary, when sound waves are reflected at the end, they can still continue to travel in their respective directions even after hitting each other. This is because although the pressures may cancel out, the displacements add together and both waves still "exist". This is due to the varying pressure and displacement at any point in a sound wave, with the phase of the pressure being 90° out of phase with the displacement. In addition, it is possible for some of the reflected compressed air molecules to pass through the original sound without being hit, then hitting the still air molecules on the other side. It is important to understand the properties of waves, such as pressure and displacement, in order to make valid conclusions about their behavior.
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In a sound wave, air is being compressed and decompressed. If sound is reflected at the end, then to create a standing wave the compressed layer of air coming back must coincide with another compressed layer of air going forward.

If that's the case, how can the compressed airs continue to travel in their respective directions after they hit one another? Wouldn't they just stop moving once they hit each other?

Same for the string. If the original wave starts pointing up, then the reflected wave points down. But wouldn't each point at which the original and reflected wave coincide pull on the same part of the string just as strongly but in opposite directions, and therefore the string would just be flat?

In this image: http://imgur.com/a/1d2f3

The wave going to the right will meet the wave going to left. The right side of the right-traveling wave will go up, and the left side of the left-traveling wave will go down. When they meet, they will be pulling on the same parts of the string. So wouldn't the up and down forces cancel to give a string that's flat everywhere?
 
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yosimba2000 said:
In a sound wave, air is being compressed and decompressed. If sound is reflected at the end, then to create a standing wave the compressed layer of air coming back must coincide with another compressed layer of air going forward.

If that's the case, how can the compressed airs continue to travel in their respective directions after they hit one another? Wouldn't they just stop moving once they hit each other?
Good question because it doesn't make sense at first sight. However, sound waves have varying pressure and they have displacement at any point. The phase of the pressure is 90° out of phase with the displacement. So, although the pressures may cancel, the displacements add together and both waves 'exist'.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Good question because it doesn't make sense at first sight. However, sound waves have varying pressure and they have displacement at any point. The phase of the pressure is 90° out of phase with the displacement. So, although the pressures may cancel, the displacements add together and both waves 'exist'.

But won't the displacements cancel each other out since they meet together with the same force?

Is it possible that the reflected compressed air molecules only coincide with MANY of the original compressed air molecules, but not all? So some of the reflected molecules are able to pass through the original sound by not being hit, then hitting the still air molecules on the other side?
 
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yosimba2000 said:
But won't the displacements cancel each other out since they meet together with the same force?

Is it possible that the reflected compressed air molecules only coincide with MANY of the original compressed air molecules, but not all? So some of the reflected molecules are able to pass through the original sound by not being hit, then hitting the still air molecules on the other side?

some weird comments in there, I suspect you don't really understand how waves interact
have a watch of this classic AT&T - Bell Labs video, it covers many wave properties including standing waves

Dave
 
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yosimba2000 said:
But won't the displacements cancel each other out since they meet together with the same force?

Is it possible that the reflected compressed air molecules only coincide with MANY of the original compressed air molecules, but not all? So some of the reflected molecules are able to pass through the original sound by not being hit, then hitting the still air molecules on the other side?
Yes, I said they can in my earlier post. But I also made the point that there is displace AND pressure involved (as in all waves). "Meeting together with the same force" is a bit of a meaningless statement. The pressures can cancel out but the displacements do not. There is still Energy traveling in both directions.
You need to understand more about waves before you can come to valid conclusions about how they should behave. No kind of wave has only one variable involved. Strings have stored energy in the tension and kinetic energy of motion, sound / pressure waves have pressure and displacement and EM waves have magnetic and electric energy. You can reduce one variable to near zero but the energy still exists due to a larger value for the other variable quantity.
 

What causes standing waves to continue propagating?

Standing waves continue to propagate due to the continuous transfer of energy between the two ends of the medium. This energy transfer is a result of the reflections of the wave's energy at the boundaries of the medium.

Why do standing waves not travel in space?

Standing waves do not travel in space because they are formed by the interference of two waves traveling in opposite directions with equal amplitudes and frequencies. This interference results in certain points along the medium where the amplitude remains constant, creating the characteristic pattern of standing waves.

How do standing waves maintain their amplitude?

Standing waves maintain their amplitude due to constructive and destructive interference. At certain points along the medium, the crest of one wave overlaps with the trough of the other, resulting in destructive interference and canceling out the amplitude. However, at other points, the crests and troughs align, resulting in constructive interference and maintaining the amplitude.

Can standing waves travel through any medium?

Standing waves can travel through any medium as long as the medium is elastic and has boundaries. This includes solid, liquid, and gaseous mediums. However, the speed at which the standing wave travels will depend on the properties of the medium, such as its density and elasticity.

How do the nodes and antinodes of standing waves affect the propagation?

The nodes and antinodes of standing waves play a crucial role in the propagation of the wave. The nodes, which are points along the medium with zero amplitude, act as fixed points and do not move during propagation. The antinodes, which are points with maximum amplitude, move back and forth between the nodes, resulting in the continuous propagation of the standing wave.

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