How is maths separated from religion?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the role of dark matter and dark energy in our understanding of the universe, as well as the limitations of theoretical physics and its experimental verification. The question of how this relates to religion is also raised. However, the premise of the question is deemed to be misrepresentative of science, mathematics, and religion, making it unsuitable for further discussion.
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This is not a religious diatribe, I am an agnostic leaning heavily towards atheism.

But, dark matter and dark energy are just equations used to close a gaping hole in our understanding. Singularities are not understood. Expansion is not understood.

But more importantly, theoretical physics often cannot be experimentally verified. If we are throwing the scientific method out of the window, how is this mathematical magic different from religion? Is this a cul-de-sac we have been trapped in too long? Or can it be verified without experiment?
 
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But, dark matter and dark energy are just equations used to close a gaping hole in our understanding.

Nonsense. Both dark energy and dark matter are valid explanations for observed phenomena. The fact that they depend heavily upon math is no different than any modern theory.

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Singularities are not understood. Expansion is not understood.

The list of poorly understood phenomena is large and will probably never be zero. The key is that science leads to a gradual understanding of phenomena that were previously unknown or not understood at all and it does so through the use of math and the application of the scientific method.

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But more importantly, theoretical physics often cannot be experimentally verified. If we are throwing the scientific method out of the window, how is this mathematical magic different from religion? Is this a cul-de-sac we have been trapped in too long? Or can it be verified without experiment?

Comparing data from observations made through telescopes to various cosmological and astronomical models and eliminating those which cannot support the observations is a shining example of experimental verification. We may not know exactly what dark energy or dark matter is, but we know a great deal about what it isn't.
 
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The whole premise of this question mischaracterizes science, mathematics and religion. All three. How can a useful discussion follow from such a start?
 
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The whole premise of this question mischaracterizes science, mathematics and religion. All three. How can a useful discussion follow from such a start?
Agreed. This topic is not appropriate for PF.

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1. What is the main difference between mathematics and religion?

Mathematics is a field of study that uses logical reasoning and abstract concepts to describe and quantify the relationships between objects and phenomena. On the other hand, religion is a belief system that involves faith and the worship of a higher power or powers. The main difference between mathematics and religion is their approach to understanding the world around us. While mathematics relies on empirical evidence and logical deduction, religion is based on faith and spiritual experiences.

2. Is there any overlap between mathematics and religion?

There are some areas where mathematics and religion may overlap, such as in the use of geometric patterns in religious art or the use of mathematical concepts in religious texts. However, in terms of their fundamental principles and approaches, mathematics and religion are distinct fields of study.

3. Can mathematics prove or disprove the existence of a higher power?

No, mathematics is a tool for understanding and describing the physical world, but it is not capable of proving or disproving the existence of a higher power. The existence of a higher power is a matter of personal belief and faith, and cannot be determined through mathematical equations.

4. How does mathematics influence religious beliefs and practices?

Mathematics can be used to explain and interpret religious beliefs and practices, such as the use of geometric patterns in religious architecture or the use of mathematical concepts in religious texts. However, mathematics itself does not dictate or influence religious beliefs and practices.

5. Are there any religious beliefs that conflict with mathematical principles?

There are some religious beliefs that may seem to conflict with certain mathematical principles, such as the idea of a higher power controlling the natural world versus the concept of cause and effect in mathematics. However, these conflicts are based on differing perspectives and interpretations, and do not necessarily mean that mathematics and religion are at odds with each other.

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