How would this experiment play out? Length contraction / black hole

In summary, Bob, Ed, and Sussie are all observers in their own space-ship. When Ed and Sussie accelerate on parallel paths to near the speed of light, Bob observes both length contraction and an increase in mass of their ships. However, this does not lead to the formation of a black hole as the concept of relativistic mass is now largely discontinued in modern texts. As Ed and Sussie slow down and come to rest relative to Bob, their gravitational interactions also change. The acceleration of Sussie towards Ed decreases as their relative velocity increases, reaching zero when they are both moving at a high speed. This is due to the complicated nature of gravitational interactions for moving objects and the fact that the source of
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Bob, Ed, and Sussie are all observers, each in their own space-ship. Ed and Sussie accelerate on parallel paths to very near the speed of light. Bob sees both length contraction and an increase in mass of both Eds and Sussies ships. These effects are great enough that each ship achieves the mass and density required to form an event horizon. Bob sees them fall together and become a single black hole moving at high speed.

Ed and Sussie accelerate simultaneously and remain at rest relative to each other. There is no reason that they should feel any irresistible attractive force (Unless Sussie is hot). After a period of time they slow down and are once again at rest relative to Bob.

How is the experience of Ed and Sussie reconcilable with the observation of Bob?
What does Bob see as Ed and Sussie slow down?
 
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If you look up the term "relativistic mass" you will see this concept is largely discontinued in modern texts and one reason is precisely the sort of paradox you are talking about. While there is a sense that inertial mass increases and objects appear to become more difficult to accelerate, it is certain that gravitational mass does not increase in the same way and fast moving objects do not become black holes. In fact Ed and Sussie accelerate towards each slower when they are moving fast relative to Bob, than when they are moving slow. Gravitational interactions are fairly complicated for moving objects and are dependent upon the relative speeds and directions of the objects.

To put some numbers to this, if the gravitational acceleration of Sussie towards Ed is (a) when they are floating in otherwise free space and approximately at rest with Bob, then when they are moving at some some velocity (v) relative to Bob, that is a large fraction of the speed of light , the acceleration of Sussie towards Ed is a*(1-v^2/c^2). As v approaches c the acceleration tends towards zero. In fact two photons traveling parallel to each other and in the same direction have zero mutual gravitational acceleration towards each other and this is not just because photons have zero rest mass. Two photons traveling parallel to each other but in opposite directions would experience mutual gravitational attraction, because while they have zero rest mass they have energy which contributes to their "effective active gravitational mass".
 
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Related to How would this experiment play out? Length contraction / black hole

1. How would length contraction affect the results of the experiment?

The effects of length contraction would depend on the specific parameters of the experiment. In general, it would cause objects to appear shorter in the direction of motion, potentially altering measurements and observations. However, the magnitude of this effect would also depend on the relative velocities of the objects involved.

2. Can length contraction be observed in everyday experiments?

No, length contraction is only observable at very high speeds, such as those approaching the speed of light. In everyday experiments, the effects of length contraction are too small to be detected.

3. How does a black hole factor into this experiment?

A black hole's intense gravitational pull can significantly affect the trajectory and behavior of objects in an experiment. It can also cause extreme distortions in space and time, potentially altering the results of the experiment.

4. What precautions should be taken when conducting an experiment involving black holes?

Safety precautions are crucial when conducting experiments involving black holes. It is important to thoroughly understand and anticipate the effects of the black hole's gravity, and to take measures to protect equipment and personnel from potential harm.

5. How would the results of the experiment change if conducted near a black hole compared to in a vacuum?

The presence of a black hole would significantly alter the results of the experiment. The intense gravitational pull and distortions in space and time caused by the black hole would affect the trajectory and behavior of objects, potentially leading to vastly different outcomes compared to if the experiment were conducted in a vacuum.

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