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Measuring the one-way speed of light is impossible without adopting a simultaneity convention.bob012345 said:What exactly is impossible?
Measuring the one-way speed of light is impossible without adopting a simultaneity convention.bob012345 said:What exactly is impossible?
Is the synchronicity requirement implicitly doing that? Thanks.Dale said:Measuring the one-way speed of light is impossible without adopting a simultaneity convention.
You mean the clock synchronisation? Yes, choosing your methodology for that is the operational aspect of choosing a simultaneity criterion.bob012345 said:Is the synchronicity requirement implicitly doing that? Thanks.
The speed of light is the same in both directions - and this is not simply assumed.kostarak said:From 1905 to this day we have not experimentally measured the one way speed of light between a source to the detector only the roundtrip from the source to the detector and back again. We just assume that the speed of light is the average speed and it’s the same at all directions equal to c.
No, the Michelson-Morley experiment confirms that the two-way speed of light is isotropic. It doesn't (and cannot) say anything about the one-way speed of light, which was the question in this thread..Scott said:The speed of light is the same in both directions - and this is not simply assumed.
The Michelson-Morley Experiment was first performed in 1887 - and has certainly been repeated many times since 1905. The experiment compares the speed of light in two perpendicular directions. The entire interferometer can be rotated while the comparison is made, so if light traveled at a different velocity in one direction than another, the interference pattern would change as the apparatus was rotated.
When the experiment is conducted in an inertial frame, no such shifting interference pattern is observed.
Let me work this through...Ibix said:No, the Michelson-Morley experiment confirms that the two-way speed of light is isotropic. It doesn't (and cannot) say anything about the one-way speed of light, which was the question in this thread.
To be precise here, by Occam's razor we should assume that ##f(x)=0##... and that is exactly the point..Scott said:then by Occam's Razor, we should take f(X)=0.
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John Kovach said:Is it possible to synchronize a clock at the destination using an entangled photon at the moment a test photon is released at the source to measure the oneway speed of that test photon?
No. This idea doesn’t work for the same reasons that you can’t use entanglement to send any message. Google for “no communication theorem”, or check out some of the many threads over in the QM section.John Kovach said:Sorry for dragging this on. But what is bugging me is no one has mentioned entanglement. Is it possible to synchronize a clock at the destination using an entangled photon at the moment a test photon is released at the source to measure the oneway speed of that test photon?
No - this is a different topic. See post #40 and responses to that.kinsler33 said:Didn't Dr Michelson settle this argument with the ether drift experiment?
Ole Rømer studied the moons of Jupiter. He used them as a distant clock and ascribed their apparent tick rate variation solely to changing distance, from which he could deduce a speed of light. In a relativistic analysis of his work he was assuming slow clock transport, which is equivalent to assuming an isotropic one-way speed of light. So this is not a true one-way speed measurement either.kinsler33 said:Didn't someone calculate a reasonable value for c by astronomical observation?
Ibix said:No - this is a different topic. See post #40 and responses to that.
No. See post #41 and responses to that.kinsler33 said:c = (D1-D2)/(T1-T2)
But, now look, see. . .Ibix said: