Is the Coulomb Force Limited by the Pauli Exclusion Principle in Hydrogen Atoms?

In summary, the conversation discussed whether charges can collapse under Coulomb attraction and the role of the Pauli exclusion principle in this process. It was also mentioned that the strong force is necessary to hold atomic nuclei together against Coulomb repulsion. The concept of bound states and examples such as the hydrogen atom were also brought up. Finally, the conversation touched on the impact parameter and the formation of bound states in a head-on collision.
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Can charges collapse under coulomb attraction like charge-less matter does under gravity? In a way it's similar to asking about the lower limit of coulomb force if there is any. Also, does Pauli exclusion principle save the day just as in the case of gravity?
 
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Why should any charge distribution collapse under the Coulomb force? Like-sign charges repell each other, and thus any non-zero charge distribution rather flies appart under the influence of the repulsive Coulomb force. Indeed you need the strong force to hold atomic nuclei together against the Coulomb repulsion of the protons. That's why for larger nuclei you need more and more neutrons to stabilize them against Coulomb repulsion.
 
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I mentioned coulomb attraction for unlike charges. Say, if two unlike charges were held at a distance away from each other and then left to themselves what would happen after they get very close to each other?
 
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They form a bound state, emitting one or more photons on the way, and/or react with each other in some way (e.g. annihilation for particle/antiparticle pairs).
 
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And what's a bound state-with less technical details pls.
 
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Something like a hydrogen atom for example. A positive particle (a proton) and a negative particle (an electron) bound together.
 
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Consider the case where there's a head on collision between the two( impact parameter=0) giving the electron no reason to orbit around the proton. What sort of bound state would be formed then?
 
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What do you mean by "reason"?

The ground state of hydrogen has no angular momentum.

Every bound state of a proton and an electron is a hydrogen atom, if it is not in the ground state it is in an excited state (or a superposition of that and the ground state).
 

1. What is the Coulomb force?

The Coulomb force, also known as the electrostatic force, is a fundamental force of nature that describes the attraction or repulsion between two charged particles. It is named after French physicist Charles-Augustin de Coulomb, who first described it in the 18th century.

2. How does the Coulomb force work?

The Coulomb force works by the principle that opposite charges attract and like charges repel. This means that positively charged particles will be attracted to negatively charged particles, while two particles with the same charge will repel each other.

3. What factors influence the strength of the Coulomb force?

The strength of the Coulomb force is influenced by two main factors: the magnitude of the charges involved and the distance between them. The greater the charge and the closer the particles are to each other, the stronger the force will be.

4. How is the Coulomb force related to electric fields?

The Coulomb force is directly related to electric fields. An electric field is a region in space where a charged particle will experience a force. The direction of the electric field is the same as the direction of the Coulomb force on a positive charge.

5. Can the Coulomb force act over a distance?

Yes, the Coulomb force can act over a distance. It is an example of an action-at-a-distance force, meaning that it does not require direct contact between the charged particles. The force decreases with distance, following an inverse square law.

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