Is the index of refraction constant for a given medium?

In summary: The description of how an EM wave moves through a substance is very non-trivial in terms of photons so best not to try until the rest of the basics have been totally sorted out, along with the Quantum mechanics that are involved.
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If we have a medium (say, glass) with an index of refraction, n=1.33, the speed of light in it will be c/1.33. However, blue light travels slower in glass than does red light. Since c is constant and the speed of light is changing, doesn't that mean that the index of refraction will vary based on the frequency of the incident light?
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prism said:
The refractive index of many materials (such as glass) varies with the wavelength or color of the light used, a phenomenon known as dispersion.
 
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Okay. Also, since the wavelength of light remains constant when it passes through a medium, the frequency has to decrease in order to have a lower velocity, correct?
 
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Phys12 said:
Also, since the wavelength of light remains constant when it passes through a medium

Why do you think that?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Why do you think that?
Actually, I got it the other way around. My statement should've read: "since the frequency of light remains constant when it passes through a medium, the wavelength has to decrease in order to have a lower velocity, correct?"

But when I think about it again, frequency is the number of times a certain wave of a given wavelength passes through a point and if we're changing the velocity of the wave, that should change the frequency and not the wavelength.

Edit: on another thought, the energy of the photon stays the same in vacuum and in water so we need to keep E=hf (where f is the frequency) constant. E is also equal to hv/lambda (v is the speed of light, lambda is the wavelength), but if we want to keep the frequency constant and we're changing v, we must change lambda too.
 
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Phys12 said:
Actually, I got it the other way around. My statement should've read: "since the frequency of light remains constant when it passes through a medium, the wavelength has to decrease in order to have a lower velocity, correct?"
Write down the relationship between frequency, wavelength, and velocity and you will have the answer.

But when I think about it again, frequency is the number of times a certain wave of a given wavelength passes through a point and if we're changing the velocity of the wave, that should change the frequency and not the wavelength.
See above and figure out which two of the three quantities have to be constant across a change in medium.

Edit: on another thought, the energy of the photon stays the same in vacuum and in water so we need to keep E=hf (where f is the frequency) constant. E is also equal to hv/lambda (v is the speed of light, lambda is the wavelength), but if we want to keep the frequency constant and we're changing v, we must change lambda too.
So what's your answer? :wink:
 
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olivermsun said:
So what's your answer? :wink:
I'm going to say this one: The energy of the photon stays the same in vacuum and in water so we need to keep E=hf (where f is the frequency) constant. E is also equal to hv/lambda (v is the speed of light, lambda is the wavelength), but if we want to keep the frequency constant and we're changing v, we must change lambda too.

Because we can change the wavelength and still keep the frequency constant by changing the velocity.
 
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Phys12 said:
Because we can change the wavelength and still keep the frequency constant by changing the velocity.
Whilst the Maths of that statement is correct - you can re-arrange an equation to put any variable on the left - the Physics of it are the wrong way round. Once a wave has been launched, you cannot change its frequency (in an inertial frame). All you can do it change the velocity by choosing the right medium and that will result in a wavelength change.
The description of how an EM wave moves through a substance is very non-trivial in terms of photons so best not to try until the rest of the basics have been totally sorted out, along with the Quantum mechanics that are involved.
 

1. What is the index of refraction?

The index of refraction is a measure of how much light bends when it passes through a medium, such as air, water, or glass. It is defined as the ratio of the speed of light in a vacuum to the speed of light in the medium.

2. Is the index of refraction the same for all materials?

No, the index of refraction varies depending on the material. Each material has its own unique index of refraction, which is determined by its physical properties, such as density and composition.

3. Does the index of refraction change with wavelength?

Yes, the index of refraction can vary slightly with wavelength. This phenomenon is known as dispersion and is the reason why different colors of light are bent at different angles when passing through a prism.

4. Can the index of refraction be greater than 1?

Yes, the index of refraction can be greater than 1. In fact, most materials have an index of refraction greater than 1, meaning that light slows down when passing through them.

5. Is the index of refraction constant for a given medium?

No, the index of refraction can vary within a given medium depending on factors such as temperature, pressure, and density. However, for most practical purposes, the index of refraction is considered to be constant within a given medium.

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