Lagrangians and Masses with springs

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between kinetic and potential energy in a system of two masses connected by a spring with spring constant k. The kinetic energy is given by 1/2*m*x1dot^2 + 1/2*m*x2dot^2, while the potential energy is either 1/2*k*(x2-x1-L)^2 or 1/2*k*(x2-x1)^2, depending on whether the position is measured from the initial or undisplaced position of the system. The conversation suggests that measuring both positions from the same point will give the same results, but with a constant offset of L.
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Okay, so two equal masses are connected by spring with spring constant k. The kinetic energy is obviously 1/2*m*x1dot^2 +1/2*m*x2dot^2. Please excuse my notation. x1 and x2 are the positions, x1dot and x2dot are the velocities. L is the length of the spring when not stretched.

So anyway, the potential energy ought to be 1/2*k*(x2-x1-L)^2, I would figure, because when x2-x1 = L, the spring would be unstretched and would store no potential energy. However, my book does not include the -L, and just gives 1/2*k*(x2-x1)^2 as the potential energy. Can anybody explain this?
 
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Often you don't measure every position from one common reference point, you measure them from the initial or undisplaced position of the system.

The book is measuring x1 from the initial position of one end of the spring, and x2 from the initial position of the other end.

Measuring both x1 and x2 from the same point will give you the same results (except for a constant offset of L) but the math will be messier. Do the problem both ways, to see how it works out.
 

What is a Lagrangian?

A Lagrangian is a mathematical function that describes the dynamics of a physical system in terms of its position, velocity, and time.

What are masses with springs?

Masses with springs refer to a system in which one or more masses are connected by springs and are subject to external forces. This system is commonly used in physics to model simple harmonic motion.

How is a Lagrangian used in the study of masses with springs?

A Lagrangian is used to derive the equations of motion for a system of masses with springs. By defining the potential and kinetic energy of the system in terms of the Lagrangian, the equations of motion can be obtained using the principle of least action.

What is the principle of least action?

The principle of least action states that a physical system will follow the path that minimizes the action, which is defined as the integral of the Lagrangian over time. This principle is used to determine the equations of motion for a system of masses with springs.

Can a Lagrangian be used for more complex systems?

Yes, a Lagrangian can be used for a wide range of physical systems, including more complex systems with multiple masses, springs, and other forces. It is a powerful tool in theoretical physics for understanding the dynamics of a variety of systems.

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