Lorentz Chaos - The 'Butterfly Effect'

In summary, the conversation discusses the Lorentz system with given values for sigma, b, and r, and how to solve for y(t) and z(t) in the modified Lorentz system by finding the Lyapunov exponent. The fixed points and their stability are also mentioned, along with the relationship between the Lyapunov exponent and the trajectory in phase space. The equations for the modified system are provided, and there is a question about the butterfly effect and chaos in the system.
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Homework Statement



Given the lorentz system for ##\sigma=10, b = \frac{8}{3}, r = 28##, and ##x(t)## from the first lorentz system, show that we can solve for y(t) and z(t) for the modified lorentz system by finding ##\dot E##.[/B]

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I have found the 3 fixed points. They are at the origin ##(0,0,0)##, and ##C^{+} = \left( \sqrt{b(r-1)}, \sqrt{b(r-1)}, r-1 \right)## and ##C^{-} = \left(-\sqrt{b(r-1)}, -\sqrt{b(r-1)} , r-1 \right)##. For ##r = 28##, all three points are unstable.

It turns out that the points ##C^{+}, C^{-}## are only stable for ##1 < r < 25##.

For a dynamical system, the Lyapunov exponent ##\lambda## is related to the trajectory in phase space by
[tex]|\delta V(t) | = |\delta V_0| e^{\lambda t} [/tex]
So does this mean that for ##\lambda > 0## these trajectories are replled from one unstable point to another unstable point? I think this is the 'butterfly effect' described somewhere.

Also, I have re-expressed the equations:
[tex]\dot e_x + \dot x = \sigma \left[ (e_y - e_x) + (y-x) \right] [/tex]
[tex]\dot e_y + \dot y = rx - (e_y + y) - x(e_z + z) [/tex]
[tex]\dot e_z + \dot z = x(e_y + y) - b(e_z + z) [/tex]
[tex]\dot E = \frac{2}{\sigma} e_x \dot e_x + 2 e_y \dot e_y + 2 e_z \dot e_z[/tex]

I'm not sure what the question wants..
 
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any insight on last part?
 
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any help on the chaos bit?
 
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bumpp on chaos
 
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butterfly bumpping
 
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bump on lorentz chaos
 
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Solved.
 

What is the "Butterfly Effect" in relation to Lorentz Chaos?

The "Butterfly Effect" is a concept in chaos theory that suggests small, seemingly insignificant changes in initial conditions can lead to drastically different outcomes in a complex system. In the context of Lorentz Chaos, it refers to the sensitivity of the Lorenz system to initial conditions, where even the tiniest changes can result in vastly different weather patterns.

Who is responsible for discovering the "Butterfly Effect" in Lorentz Chaos?

The "Butterfly Effect" in Lorentz Chaos was first discovered by mathematician and meteorologist Edward Lorenz in the 1960s. He was studying weather prediction models and found that small changes in initial conditions could have a significant impact on the predicted outcome.

How does the "Butterfly Effect" in Lorentz Chaos affect weather forecasting?

The "Butterfly Effect" in Lorentz Chaos has a major impact on weather forecasting as it highlights the limitations of predicting complex systems. Small errors in initial measurements or data can lead to vastly different weather predictions, making long-term forecasting challenging. It also emphasizes the importance of continually updating and refining weather models.

Can the "Butterfly Effect" in Lorentz Chaos be observed in other systems or phenomena besides weather?

Yes, the "Butterfly Effect" in Lorentz Chaos can be observed in various systems and phenomena, such as climate, population dynamics, and economic systems. It is a fundamental aspect of chaos theory, which studies the behavior of complex systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions.

Is the "Butterfly Effect" in Lorentz Chaos a deterministic or random phenomenon?

The "Butterfly Effect" in Lorentz Chaos is a deterministic phenomenon, meaning that it is not random and can be predicted if all initial conditions are known with complete accuracy. However, in practice, it is impossible to have perfect knowledge of all initial conditions, making the system appear random and unpredictable.

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