Lunatic program on Linux and Smaky ?

In summary, the conversation discussed a simulation of Bell's theorem of quantum mechanics on a PC, with the use of different systems and coding languages resulting in different numerical averages. The potential reasons for this discrepancy were discussed, including differences in number precision and implementation of numerical methods in different languages. It was suggested to try implementing the algorithm in other languages, such as MATLAB or Python, to further investigate the issue. The conversation concluded with a personal anecdote about a similar experience with different programming languages resulting in different outputs.
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I'm simulating Bell's theorem of quantum mechanics on a PC. I have guests Linux and Smaky systems and wrote codes in resp. C and Basic doing basically the same but obtain different results on both systems. On Linux the results of CHSH oscillate around 2, while on the Smaky it's always above 2 ?

C:
#include<stdio.h>
#include<stdlib.h>
#include<time.h>
#include<math.h>

#define PI 4.0*atan(1.0)

double cof=.8;
double eps=.00001;
double omega=200.0;

double MAX_INT=4294967296.0/2.0-1.0;

//local function for the result in A depending on the angle of measurement and the parameterint A(double angle, double lambda)
{
   int resa=0;
   double pa=0.0, choice=0.0;

  //set probabilities
   

   if(pa<eps) pa=eps;
   if(pa>1.0-eps) pa=1.0-eps;

   //choose +/- for A

   choice=(double)rand()/MAX_INT;
   pa=.5+cos(angle-lambda)/cof;
   if(choice<pa)
     resa=1;
   else
     resa=-1;

   return(resa);
}//local deterministic result in A

/*
int A(double angle, double lambda)
{
   int resa=0;
   double v=cos(angle-lambda);

   if(v>0.0)     
     resa=1;
   else
     resa=-1;
   return(resa);
}
*/

int main(void)
{
   int a,b,ap,bp;

   int i=0;
   int na=0,nb=0;
   double choice;
   double anga,angb,angap,angbp,maxangb;
   double phi;
   double cov1=0.0,cov2=0.0,cov3=0.0,cov4=0.0;
   int vrmax=20000;
   int angdiv=100;
   int vrmin=10;
   int resa, resb;

   int avga1,avga2,avga3,avga4,avgb1,avgb2,avgb3,avgb4;

   

   double avgcov1=0.0, avgcov2=0.0, avgcov3=0.0, avgcov4=0.0;
   FILE *varout;

   anga=0.0;
   angb=PI/4.0;
   angap=PI/2.0;
   angbp=3.0*PI/4.0;

   srand(time(NULL));

   bool stop=false;

   varout=fopen("var2.out","w");

   double maxavgs=-6.0;
   double maxcof=0.0;

   double avgs,pm4f,pm2f,pzf,p2f,p4f,sumpf;
   int S=0;

   //for(int j=0;j<angdiv;j++)
   {
   //   angb=PI*(double)j/(double)angdiv;

   int pm4=0,pm2=0,pzero=0,p2=0,p4=0;
   S=0;

//calculate probabilities of -4 -2 0 2 4 :
   na=nb=0;
   
   stop=false;
   avgcov1=0.0;
   avgcov2=0.0;
   avgcov3=0.0;
   avgcov4=0.0;
   avga1=avgb1=avga2=avgb2=avga3=avgb3=avga4=avgb4=0;

   for(i=0;!stop;i++)
   {
     int resa,resb;

     phi=(double)rand()/MAX_INT*2.0*PI;
     //angb=PI/(double)angdiv*(double)j;

     resa=-A(anga,phi);
     resb=A(phi,angb);     

     avga1+=resa;
     avgb1+=resb;
     cov1=resa*resb;

     phi=(double)rand()/MAX_INT*2.0*PI;
     resa=-A(anga,phi);
     resb=A(phi,angbp);
     avga2+=resa;
     avgb2+=resb;
     cov2=resa*resb;

     phi=(double)rand()/MAX_INT*2.0*PI;
     resa=-A(angap,phi);
     resb=A(phi,angb);
     avga3+=resa;
     avgb3+=resb;
     cov3=resa*resb;

     phi=(double)rand()/MAX_INT*2.0*PI;
     resa=-A(angap,phi);
     resb=A(phi,angbp);
     avga4+=resa;
     avgb4+=resb;
     cov4=resa*resb;

     avgcov1+=cov1;
     avgcov2+=cov2;
     avgcov3+=cov3;
     avgcov4+=cov4;

     switch((int)(cov1-cov2+cov3+cov4))
     {
       case -4 : pm4++; break;
       case -2 : pm2++; break;
       case 0 : pzero++; break;
       case 2 : p2++; break;
       case 4 : p4++; break;
     }

     S+=(int)(cov1-cov2+cov3+cov4);
             
     if(i>=vrmax-1) stop=true;
   }

   cov1/=(double)i;
   
   //probabilities of measurement results floating

    pm4f=(double)pm4/(double)vrmax;
    pm2f=(double)pm2/(double)vrmax;
    pzf=(double)pzero/(double)vrmax;
    p2f=(double)p2/(double)vrmax;
      p4f=(double)p4/(double)vrmax;

    sumpf=pm4f+pm2f+pzf+p2f+p4f;   //compute maximal average of S taking into account the variance

   avgs=fabs((double)S-(double)(avga1*avgb1-avga2*avgb2+avga3*avgb3+avga4*avgb4)/(double)vrmax);
   avgs/=(double)vrmax;

   //avgs=sqrt(pm4f*16.0+pm2f*4.0+p2f*4.0+16.0*p4f-avgs*avgs)/2.0;
   //fprintf(varout,"%lf %lf %lf\n",cof,avgs,fabs((double)S/(double)vrmax));

   fprintf(varout,"%lf %lf %lf\n",angb,avgcov1/(double)i,avgs);
   cov1=0.0;
   
   if(avgs>maxavgs)
   {
     maxavgs=avgs;
     maxcof=cof;
     maxangb=angb;
   }

     
   }  //end loop angdiv

   printf("p-4=%lf p-2=%lf p0=%lf sumprob=%lf\n",pm4f,pm2f,pzf,sumpf);   
   printf("S=%lf Covariances : %lf %lf %lf %lf\n",(double)S/(double)vrmax, avgcov1/(double)vrmax, avgcov2/(double)vrmax, avgcov3/(double)vrmax, avgcov4/(double)vrmax);   
   printf("Sumcov=%lf\n",(avgcov1-avgcov2+avgcov3+avgcov4)/(double)vrmax);

   printf("maxavgS=%lf angb=%lf\n",maxavgs, maxangb);
   fclose(varout);
}

Here S oscillate and can be smaller than 2.

In Basic I wrote the same algorithm for Smaky emulating a 68040 processor.

In the latter the result is always above 2, namely around 2.08.

What could explain this difference ? Could it be that the skewness is positive so that by simulating it we obtain a numerical average higher ?

Then why would the Linux program give other results ?
 
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Number precision may be the reason.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ae55hdtk.aspx

and for C

https://www.cs.princeton.edu/courses/archive/fall09/cos323/precepts/precept2.html

Check to see if you are using the same/equivalent datatypes.

Also each language may be using a different implementation of numerical methods each with its own peculiarities.

You could try implementing it in MATLAB or in Python (see the Anaconda distribution for prepackaged python numpy and scipy modules).

I had a similar experience years ago when I implemented a simple "what day of the week" from a date algorithm in several languages including fortran and honeywell basic for a Boy Scouts Explorer open house.

One mother put in her son's birthday in each program. One said Sunday and said Monday and she wanted to know why and I humorously said maybe he was born at midnight. She was not amused, told her husband who turned out to an upper level computer center manager for my site and I never heard the end of it.

The moral: No good deed goes unpunished.

Upon investigation, I found one language rounded up and the other had truncated the answer. The algorithm expected the rounding up to work correctly.
 
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1. What is the "Lunatic program" on Linux and Smaky?

The Lunatic program is a software tool designed for the Smaky computer, which was a series of personal computers developed in the 1980s and 1990s by a company called Smaky SA. The Lunatic program was used for creating and running programs on the Smaky system.

2. Is the Lunatic program still in use today?

No, the Smaky computer system and the Lunatic program are no longer in use today. They were primarily used in the 1980s and 1990s and have since been replaced by more modern computer systems and software tools.

3. What are some features of the Lunatic program?

The Lunatic program had several features, including a graphical user interface, support for multiple programming languages, and the ability to create and run programs with a variety of functions such as graphics, sound, and networking.

4. Can the Lunatic program be used on other operating systems?

No, the Lunatic program was specifically designed for the Smaky operating system, which was a version of Unix. It cannot be used on other operating systems such as Windows or macOS.

5. Are there any modern alternatives to the Lunatic program?

Yes, there are plenty of modern alternatives to the Lunatic program for creating and running programs on Linux. Some popular options include the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC), Python, and Java. These tools offer more advanced features and are widely used in the scientific and programming community.

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