How Did We Develop Early Models of the Atom?

In summary, the conversation is about the development and understanding of the mathematical models used in physics to explain matter and its interactions. The speaker is looking for resources on the historical development of these models and Drclaude suggests the book "Atoms, Molecules and Photons" by Demtröder as a good introduction. Another book mentioned is "Theoretical Concepts in Physics" by Malcolm Longair, which discusses black body radiation and the introduction of h-bar by Planck. The conversation highlights the interconnectedness of different disciplines in physics.
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In my studies, I find myself coming back to the same question.How do we know all these things about matter. Its quantized, it has mass and, charge and blah blah blah. I understand that these models of the building blocks of "physical things" are well tested mathematical models that attempt to make sense of the data we have about material interactions and also make sense of thousands of experiments that were designed to test the limit of the applicability of the model at that time.
But where can I find some actual, well laid out explanations about the history of the development of the model? I'm going to be doing modern physics next semester which I'm being told is more so a study of the tools needed to talk about the quantum model than the actual development towards the quantum model. My electricity and magnetism class is building tools to discuss point charge interactions without discussing any of the evidence for the attractive\repulsive point charge model. I want my evidence darn it!
So I ask you well read contributed, do you know of any good material on the historical development of the introductory mathematical models of matter we use as physicists?
 
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A nice and easy to follow introduction can be found in the book Atoms, Molecules and Photons by Demtröder (Springer), which has a chapter on "The Concept of the Atom."
 
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Very cool. I like the look of this book. Thank you Drclaude.
 
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Malcolm Longair has a chapter in his book Theoretical Concepts in Physics, discussing black body radiation which led Planck to introduce h-bar. Planck's arguments span Electromagnetics, Statitsical Mechanics and Thermodynamics and really show how physics is one whole-ness rather than a collection of different disciplines. It is good reading
 
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I understand your curiosity about the historical development of the models we use to understand matter. It is important to have a solid understanding of the foundations of these models in order to fully grasp their implications and limitations.

The history of the development of the pre-modern atom can be traced back to ancient Greek philosophers such as Democritus and Aristotle, who first proposed the idea of atoms as indivisible building blocks of matter. However, it was not until the 19th century that scientists began to develop more detailed models of the atom.

One of the key figures in the development of the pre-modern atom was John Dalton, who proposed the atomic theory in the early 1800s. This theory stated that all matter is composed of small, indivisible particles called atoms, and that these atoms combine in specific ratios to form compounds. This model was later refined by J.J. Thomson, who discovered the electron and proposed the plum pudding model of the atom.

The next major advancement in our understanding of the atom came from Ernest Rutherford, who performed the famous gold foil experiment and proposed the nuclear model of the atom. This model suggested that the atom consists of a small, dense nucleus surrounded by orbiting electrons.

In the early 20th century, Niels Bohr further developed the nuclear model by proposing that electrons exist in specific energy levels around the nucleus, and can only transition between these levels by absorbing or emitting energy. This led to the development of the Bohr model of the atom, which was the first to incorporate quantum mechanics.

The development of quantum mechanics in the early 20th century revolutionized our understanding of the atom and led to the creation of more advanced models such as the Schrödinger model and the quantum mechanical model. These models incorporate the concept of wave-particle duality and explain the behavior of subatomic particles in terms of probability.

In terms of resources, there are many books and articles that discuss the history of the development of the pre-modern atom. Some recommended readings include "The History of the Atom" by John Dalton and "The Atom and the Apple: 12 Tales from Contemporary Physics" by Sébastien Balibar. Additionally, many universities offer courses on the history of physics or the history of the atom, which may be helpful in gaining a deeper understanding of the subject.

In conclusion, the development of our understanding of the atom has been a long and complex journey, with contributions from many scientists over centuries
 

1. What is the pre modern model of the atom?

The pre modern model of the atom was first proposed by ancient Greek philosophers, such as Democritus and Aristotle, who believed that all matter was made up of tiny, indivisible particles called atoms.

2. How did the pre modern model of the atom evolve over time?

Over time, the pre modern model of the atom was refined and modified by several scientists, including John Dalton, J.J. Thomson, and Ernest Rutherford. Each scientist contributed new discoveries and theories that helped shape our understanding of the atom.

3. What were some key features of the pre modern model of the atom?

The pre modern model of the atom proposed that atoms were solid, indivisible spheres with no internal structure. It also suggested that all atoms of a particular element were identical in size, shape, and mass, and that atoms of different elements had different properties.

4. What were some limitations of the pre modern model of the atom?

The pre modern model of the atom did not account for the existence of subatomic particles, such as protons, neutrons, and electrons. It also could not explain the properties of elements with more than one atom, or the behavior of atoms in chemical reactions.

5. How did the pre modern model of the atom pave the way for modern atomic theory?

The pre modern model of the atom laid the foundation for modern atomic theory by introducing the concept of atoms as the building blocks of matter. It also sparked further research and experimentation that eventually led to the discovery of subatomic particles and the development of more accurate models of the atom.

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